[Bradleyracing86]

If they allow alky its hard not to allow mechanical injection. There would be to many stipulations on the Stock converted alky injection..
Ie. power commanders, Hot boxes, remapped stock boxes, aftermarket velocity stacks, after market air cleaners.... etc

Some say why dont we just make it stock gas only.... too many safty concerns, engine longivity... etc

No place to stop and too hard to regulate.

Open Injection rules.

Stock Engines.

period.

Dad says you can go on alky for $800, and you probabley can, but people wont stop there.. Legal Electronic Alky Fuel injection can go up too $6,000.. Atleast 3-6 guys have it in our area.. Mechanical Injection around $4,000...

Leave it open. Let them run what they want..

[Wayne Davis]

Originally Posted by DAD ****IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF YOUR SHOCK BUT HOW YOU USE IT !**** Probably of all the go fast glittering BULL S#@T out there I would miss my adjustable shocks the most. We have used them since about the time ARS first brought them out in the 90's. We used to go racing with 10 or 12 shocks on the trailer wall and change shocks as required. I can make the point that these 4 are cheeper to own in the long run than owning 8 more less expensive shocks. We crashed once and threw the right front shocks up into the stands at Little Salem. Sent it back to ARS they rebuilt it and put it back together for $125.00 and it was good as new.. .

Dad that is EXACTLY why I went to the ABS Pro adjustable instead of the straight up shocks...no cannister no remote adjust, rebound adjust only cause you can take 6 shocks and eliminate 12 an be in the ball park...I am a firm believer that when you roll onto the track ...what you have is what you got...NO COCKPIT ADJUSTMENTS PERIOD

[DAD]

I loves to spend MONEY!

DAD

I would like the weight around 975 lbs. Probably get "Doug" to take me to Weight Watchers again and loose a little weight.

I don't much care what you do to your motor. We get about 3 or 4 years out of a stock one by that time they got a better motor out there again anyhow. Just keep stock bore and stroke in place easy enough to tec. I was told I was beat by a guy running "nitrous" at one time that explains why he blew up about every 4 or 5 races.

I would miss my adjustable shocks but could get by I guess.

Tires is kinda of dumb once had this tec guy "PUNCH" my tire in the middle of the tread with about 6psi in the tire and he told me my brand new tire was too soft. Went out to the edge and checked fine. You aint going to get much volume discount from tire co but if a guy was dumb enough to handle the tire and sell at cost I would probably buy from him.

I would sure work on the deal with fuel pumps:::

WHEN MOTOR STOPS FUEL PUMP MUST ALSO STOPS AND NOT WORRY ABOUT A SHUT OFF VALVE. THIS RULE SHOULD ALSO GO FOR ELECTRO MECHANICAL TYPE SYSTEMS.

We would be glad to help people get changed over to "alky" either in house or phone in questions.

Wonder why Tony would rather we run on alky at the "RUMBLE"?

DAD

[openwheel44]

First........I agree.......no cockpit adjustable anything. Give it your best shot and drive the friggin' car. You can have adjustable shocks to eliminate so many in the trailer but adjust them before you go out on the track.

Secondly......Someone mentioned the light guys want lighter weight rules and the heavier guys want heavier weight rules. All I can say to that is I weigh 215#. I run a "specific built" Lightning Sprint. Not a midget conversion. I sincerely think it is absolutely absurd that a person of my weight has to add roughly 50# to my car to make that 970# rule or roughly 80# to make the discussed 1000# rule. According to the produced unbaised dyno pull with the R-1 the gas unit has about the same hp/torque at the "workable" rpms. I truly think it's time for the those stating alky is an unfair advantage to produce some actual unbaised facts stating their case. Incidently, we had our rules meeting the other day and if I am not mistaken, our race director stated through out the year the gas and alky cars crossing the scales averaged 930-935#. Both fuels won features and placed in the top 5 pretty equally. So it seems the old 925# rule still works for us. I would like to know what happened with some of these other groups that makes them think that alky is "satan's work" and it will evidently destroy our class?

I will type what everyone is thinking.........."Hey nemrod, don't race if you don't like the rules." Yep......I could easily do that and simply race in my little safe haven here and be as happy as a clam. I just see this fuel/weight issue travelling like a cancer. I have yet to see anyone present any unbaised documentation justifying this alky penalty crusade. The main thing........I don't want it to contaminate the whole Lightning Sprint community. I want to have the option to actually go to some of the pre and post season "special" races and not have to figure out a way to bolt boat loads of unsafe weight on my car. I want us to get the maximum out of our cars and reflect the speeds these cars are capable off so we can maximize the appeal. Not weight them down, make them unsafe and obviously slower. Anyway........I truly think "special" races with inflated purses are the next step to promote and grow this class. This doesn't have to effect "local racing" but something needs to be done to standardize the "National or special" races.

[DAD]

Hell I like regular races with inflated purses.

[Wayne Davis]

Originally Posted by DAD Hell I like regular races with inflated purses.

IF the tracks would pay it I would pass it right along Dad!!!


these are the weights for gas/alky/E85 OW44

WEIGHT:

1000cc 950 lbs. with driver for winged events, 925 lbs. for non-winged.

1205cc 975 lbs. with driver for winged events, 950 lbs. for non-winged

1352cc/with quick change only 1050 lbs. with driver for winged events, 1025 lbs. for non-winged

600/750cc UPRIGHT cars min. weight with driver is 875 lbs, for winged and 850 lbs for non-winged

[openwheel44]

A little more weight than I would like to see, particularly on the non-winged side but at least you aren't penalizing the alky guys. A heck of a lot more fair than some of the crap I see going on or getting ready to go down. Thank you for at least being fair. Might have to reconsider a trip to Florida...............

Might be a stupid question but..........Your cars are all uprights.....correct? Not sidewinders?

[jcspringer28]

R u serious, guess u wont be the series to follow. Good luck with the winternational lol......
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[DAD]

openwheel44 we are doing the best with what we got. About the only over the road outlaw I know is old Quantrill's raiders. Most of us don't have time or money to be chassen all over the country side, wish I did but then I would also own a Midget and wouldn't be wasting my time with these little old wanabe cars.

Most of these old rule books were put together with a lot of thought and effort to make things good for the racer. It behoves these promoters to have a rule book and purse that will attract as many cars as possible. Everybody knows about all the money they are raking in over us poor 99% ers. What they have produced is rules not "crap" I know that they do work together to try to get things close. I have raced at a few "foreign" tracks and didn't have to do a lot to run with them.

Seems like the two big problems would be weight and fuel. Bill May addresed the fuel thing last year to the approval of his group, he and old ppoutlaw have been working on rules together over the summer and ppoutlaw is changing his rules to accomodate even people like me. They might not be rules we like but they arent "crap" they will never please every one but if you don't like them you can always do something else like race midgets. (Did you ever read the USAC rule book) That is a work of art.

[openwheel44]

Little FYI......I used to race midgets with USAC and the departed MARA. Enjoyed it tremedously. Just got tired of having to travel long distances EVERY weekend from the Kansas City area. Aside from flattrack bikes (did that too)......I think midget racing is the 2nd best racing out there.

When I refer to "crap" I am talking about this correlation of fuel and weight. I have no problem with any of the rest in general. Still would like to know how these "powers" arrived at putting so much weight on an alky car and can still sleep at nights. Just show me some credible evidence that alky is that far superior to the gas these guys are running. Quit trying to weight the cars down so much. Anyway.......That's the "crap" I am referring to. I respect their efforts to help the class along. I just question some of the decision making, the supporting evidence behind it and how it is beginning to effect the rest of the country.

Yep......I can choose not to race at particular areas, I can park the thing, I can sell it and get in another class. So how is that helping the class if more and more racers do that because they feel they are being unjustly treated because they run alky? But you're right....could be time to move on.

As you can tell........I am NOT a very good sheeple.