5 laps to go, lapped cars go to the rear?!

illiNOISE · 2/13/10, 12:49 PM

Here's another scenario that could be problematic should it come up: What happens when the leader laps up to 5th or 6th place, and that last lead lap driver spins out with a few laps to go? That driver will go to the end of the lead lap line, ahead of the lappers. It's going to look for all the world to the fans like that driver got their spot back. We had this exact situation come up in a micro sprint feature a few years ago at Pittsfield. Believe me, we got some dirty looks from the fans over that one.

HurstBros0 · 2/13/10, 10:35 PM

When it`s all said and done what ever scenario happens there will be hard feelings for someone... If it`s one of my old cars getting lapped they better be pulling in. Wasting fuel and tires just to be in the way makes my brother mad.

Tim Watson · 2/14/10, 10:25 AM

As a fan i like the rule, but i doubt it will come up that often. It could make for some more exciting finishes but i can see the leader not liking it if he worked hard to get to the front and a caution comes out. This is going to sound crazy but in a close race with 5 laps to go i still think being in the lead is not the place to be. If a couple cars are close behind the leader with no lapped cars inbetween they have ways of setting up the leader for a pass at the end.

SteveD · 2/14/10, 11:59 AM

Want a better 410 show on the short track dirt bullrings.....more heats with fewer cars per heat running a couple more laps: fewer feature starters. I would dubb this 5 lap rule "sandbag until the dash"

quicktime3 · 2/14/10, 1:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveD

Want a better 410 show on the short track dirt bullrings.....more heats with fewer cars per heat running a couple more laps: fewer feature starters. I would dubb this 5 lap rule "sandbag until the dash"

I disagree on all points. I absolutely hate heats with less than 8 cars. I would start 24 cars in every feature. Heats should be 8-10 laps, semi should be 12-15. Sorry.

Poorboyjocko · 2/16/10, 5:29 PM

You have to remember, the lead cars have the advantage of the move over flag. That helps when it comes to lapped traffic. I think all tracks should have the same rule. Lapped car go to the tail under five laps to go. If your that fast, you won't need that lapped car to hold up the field.

Phil Poor

Bad Dad 54 · 2/16/10, 9:35 PM

Why send the lapped cars to the rear, are you not a race driver? Of course the lapped cars should drop to the bottom and let the faster cars go. All you are doing is picking up the race from when the yellow was thrown. Don't screw up Open Wheel racing like those NAPCAR people in Florida did. :2:

jdull99 · 2/17/10, 12:46 AM

You can't "drop to the bottom" if the guy in 12th or 13th is right behind you! With the lower car counts, you may be racing for a "top 10" or better and you HAVE to stay in the front runners way if you are even a wanna-be "race car driver". This isn't even worth discussing here, all those other clubs from short tracks to professional series have already instituted some form of the rule. They all can't be wrong? It should change at some point across the board. Shouldn't be a complicated deal. Makes no sense the way it is. K.I.S.S. The car in 2nd, should be 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th ...etc. Time to move on from anything else...

9racing · 2/17/10, 3:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HurstBros0

I agree it is a great rule. Since the guy is probably not in a position to get scored to a higher paying spot , go ahead and send him to the pits. He is just in the way coasting and collecting . This way a guy charging from the tail can have a chance to pass the guy who started on the pole and is stinking up the show. Wow ! I want to shake the hand of the person that had this epiphany. He is advancing racing ten fold .

Well, My name is Nick send me a PM if you want the address and hell ill take you to dinner.. Im all for "charging" but CHARGING FROM a LAP or LAPS DOWN doesnt happen very often from sprint racing.. I mean i suppose to hell with the guy who ran his ass off to put guys between him and 2nd place.. But whatever none the less, his feelings.. its all about the fans!! I mean, never the less, if Jones,Darland,Stanbrough,Cottle,Hines,Clauson,Whit t,Coons Jr., Gardner and the rest of these guys think who "MAKE A LIVING" out of this sport... This is crazy, i realize you have some "die hard FANS" but lets face it, if it werent for the CAR OWNERS AND DRIVERS the fans would NOT have a say.. as their would not be racing... STUPID RULE!!! but it is USAC and they do go against the grain so to speak.. we will see i suppose..

Let me know Hurst!

duel · 2/17/10, 5:32 PM

i had a guy at east bay tell me how great the outlaws double file restarts are. i told him they had to because there are very few passes with those guys anyway. i feel for the drivers that have worked all race only to have to start the feature over again and again. i don't like the usac rule either. as a fan yes it is more exciting but it's not the way it should be. i think usac dirt racing is catching on more and more as people are waking up to it again. i don't see it as being broken but one hell of good show.

2/13/10, 12:49 PM	#31 Re: 5 laps to go, lapped cars go to the rear?!
illiNOISE Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 890	Here's another scenario that could be problematic should it come up: What happens when the leader laps up to 5th or 6th place, and that last lead lap driver spins out with a few laps to go? That driver will go to the end of the lead lap line, ahead of the lappers. It's going to look for all the world to the fans like that driver got their spot back. We had this exact situation come up in a micro sprint feature a few years ago at Pittsfield. Believe me, we got some dirty looks from the fans over that one.

2/13/10, 10:35 PM	#32 Re: 5 laps to go, lapped cars go to the rear?!
HurstBros0 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 676	When it`s all said and done what ever scenario happens there will be hard feelings for someone... If it`s one of my old cars getting lapped they better be pulling in. Wasting fuel and tires just to be in the way makes my brother mad.

2/14/10, 10:25 AM	#33 Re: 5 laps to go, lapped cars go to the rear?!
Tim Watson Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,509	As a fan i like the rule, but i doubt it will come up that often. It could make for some more exciting finishes but i can see the leader not liking it if he worked hard to get to the front and a caution comes out. This is going to sound crazy but in a close race with 5 laps to go i still think being in the lead is not the place to be. If a couple cars are close behind the leader with no lapped cars inbetween they have ways of setting up the leader for a pass at the end.

2/14/10, 11:59 AM	#34 Re: 5 laps to go, lapped cars go to the rear?!
SteveD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 232	Want a better 410 show on the short track dirt bullrings.....more heats with fewer cars per heat running a couple more laps: fewer feature starters. I would dubb this 5 lap rule "sandbag until the dash"

2/16/10, 5:29 PM	#36 Re: 5 laps to go, lapped cars go to the rear?!
Poorboyjocko Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 218	You have to remember, the lead cars have the advantage of the move over flag. That helps when it comes to lapped traffic. I think all tracks should have the same rule. Lapped car go to the tail under five laps to go. If your that fast, you won't need that lapped car to hold up the field. Phil Poor

2/17/10, 12:46 AM	#38 Re: 5 laps to go, lapped cars go to the rear?!
jdull99 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 6,616	You can't "drop to the bottom" if the guy in 12th or 13th is right behind you! With the lower car counts, you may be racing for a "top 10" or better and you HAVE to stay in the front runners way if you are even a wanna-be "race car driver". This isn't even worth discussing here, all those other clubs from short tracks to professional series have already instituted some form of the rule. They all can't be wrong? It should change at some point across the board. Shouldn't be a complicated deal. Makes no sense the way it is. K.I.S.S. The car in 2nd, should be 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th ...etc. Time to move on from anything else...

2/17/10, 5:32 PM	#40 Re: 5 laps to go, lapped cars go to the rear?!
duel Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,460	i had a guy at east bay tell me how great the outlaws double file restarts are. i told him they had to because there are very few passes with those guys anyway. i feel for the drivers that have worked all race only to have to start the feature over again and again. i don't like the usac rule either. as a fan yes it is more exciting but it's not the way it should be. i think usac dirt racing is catching on more and more as people are waking up to it again. i don't see it as being broken but one hell of good show.