KO- Old School

chadsniffsmethanol · 1/14/08, 8:09 PM

Here's a beer to KO...that rules, i never like to start any **** on here...but it's a drivers personal decision to wear the safety equipment they wear...driving a race car isn't safe, so if you don't want to get hurt, don't do it.

1/14/08, 10:41 PM

Wow! I just thought it was pretty cool, hey he even ran 2nd in one of the mains after leading most of it... didn't mean to get everyone all riled up... :action-smiley-049:

Ovalmeister · 1/14/08, 11:36 PM

Well, it does bring back memories!

Duane Hancock · 1/14/08, 11:51 PM

i am on the, it was VERY stupid side!! Some people work their ass off and spend mega $$$ to promote safety in this sport and make sure the drivers are more safe than they can be when an accident happens.
Then KO goes out and make a fool out of them. Yeah, it would of been so old school or cute if the dumb ass got upside down and caught and fire and we all got to see the skin melt off his arms. People send countless hours making sure drivers are safe or spend countless hours helping with recovery funds or benefits to help drivers when they are hurt, KO's actions is a slap in the face to all of them. Did anyone see any cars go up in flames duirng the Bowl? I think there was a few but its OK because he looked so damn cool....

Hawker · 1/15/08, 12:46 AM

What about these cars that the right side opening is so small that even a midget couldn't get out? What happens when one of these is upside down with the LH side against the wall and it catches fire?

Alot of people sure can't see the forrest for the trees...:headbang:

RacinJason · 1/15/08, 1:15 AM

I think if it's ok to take the suit off it should be ok to take the roll cage off. :Steer

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1/15/08, 1:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duane Hancock

Did anyone see any cars go up in flames duirng the Bowl? I think there was a few but its OK because he looked so damn cool....

I can only remember seeing one car "go up in flames" and it didn't amount to much at all, and that was Sammy... I also heard quite a few cheers but that's a different topic :doh:

P&G Photo · 1/15/08, 6:08 AM

While I agree that getting into any race car without every bit of safety equipment available to you is not a wise thing to do, I respect KO's decision to do so. First of all, the man has been racing for close to thirty years. I think that qualifies him to assess the risks and dangers involved in racing midgets. The man is a past National Champion. The man has been injured and burned before and if he's still willing to take the risk then so be it. He has that right as an adult in America to make his own decisions and live with any consequences. If, by choosing to race in this manner, he has violated any rules concerning safety equipment set forth by the promoter or sanctioning body; then he should be punished accordingly by the race officials. If he hasn't violated any rules he should be allowed to race as he chooses. Would the race fans here be as angry if I said that "beer should banned from the race track because those who drink it might become drunk and then they could fall down and injure themselves." The race fans who drink beer at the track are choosing to take a risk and live with the consequences. Only they don't have a bunch of people calling them names on a message board. I think that KO should get the same courtesy.

Kevin Plummer

Charles Nungester · 1/15/08, 6:46 AM

Im going to take the high road here and not call anyone names, stupid or anything. Fact is I jumped in a bomber a couple times with nothing but a open face helmet and a standard car seatbelt.

Simple Solution and really in this day, There is no reason this shouldn't be mandatory.

EVENT RULES (Doesn't matter what event or who's driving)
1 No car shall fire without its operator having. FULL Face helmet, Gloves and Nomex or equivalent suit and driving shoes

That is all.
Chuck

Dwight Clock · 1/15/08, 7:24 AM

For a driver, any driver, be it KO, Tony Stewart, or anyone, to attempt to race without a minimum of a fire retardent driving suit and a full face helmet in 2008 is foolhardy. Please don't tell me about the drivers ability or accomplishments. Or about his "rights" as an American to do so. For a track, event, or racing organization to allow this is equally foolhardy. And I am quite sure that the insurance company that covered this event was fully aware of this.:action-smiley-049:And don't tell me that this is the Chili Bowl and the track is small so the liklihood of anything going wrong is slim. I lost the best friend I ever had in racing when, in a full bodied, fully caged stock car, he hit the wall and broke his neck going about 50 mph on a 1/5 mile track. (Ernie Maynor - Islip Speedway - May 1, 1982) We talk a lot about the "Good old days" here but that doesn't mean that everything that happened back in the 50's and 60's was ok. Drivers died on a far too regular basis. This occured because safety features that could have saved many of them hadn't been designed and utilized as yet. Now we have roll cages, fire retardent uniforms, Hans devices, and a myriad of other safety ADVANCEMENTS that have made racing much safer than ever before. Are we to simply ignore these advancements so that someone can have "a little fun"? If drivers were allowed to "exercise their rights as American citizens" and choose what, if any safety devices to use then the number of racing deaths and serious injuries would go way up. This, of course, would lead to that other inalienable American right, the lawsuit. Families would sue event organizers and put them out of business. Aren't we losing enough tracks to suburban sprawl? Why must people be put in unneccesary danger to exercise our rights? Common sense needs to prevail here. I'd like for racing to be around for my grandchildren to enjoy.

1/15/08, 6:46 AM	#39 Re: KO- Old School
Charles Nungester Senior Member Race Count This Year: 6 Race Count Last Year: 14 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22,033	Im going to take the high road here and not call anyone names, stupid or anything. Fact is I jumped in a bomber a couple times with nothing but a open face helmet and a standard car seatbelt. Simple Solution and really in this day, There is no reason this shouldn't be mandatory. EVENT RULES (Doesn't matter what event or who's driving) 1 No car shall fire without its operator having. FULL Face helmet, Gloves and Nomex or equivalent suit and driving shoes That is all. Chuck __________________ Charles Nungester

1/14/08, 8:09 PM	#31 Re: KO- Old School
chadsniffsmethanol Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 120	Here's a beer to KO...that rules, i never like to start any **** on here...but it's a drivers personal decision to wear the safety equipment they wear...driving a race car isn't safe, so if you don't want to get hurt, don't do it.

1/14/08, 10:41 PM	#32 Re: KO- Old School
Midget82 Posts: n/a	Wow! I just thought it was pretty cool, hey he even ran 2nd in one of the mains after leading most of it... didn't mean to get everyone all riled up... :action-smiley-049:

1/14/08, 11:36 PM	#33 Re: KO- Old School
Ovalmeister Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 805	Well, it does bring back memories!

1/14/08, 11:51 PM	#34 Re: KO- Old School
Duane Hancock Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 343	i am on the, it was VERY stupid side!! Some people work their ass off and spend mega $$$ to promote safety in this sport and make sure the drivers are more safe than they can be when an accident happens. Then KO goes out and make a fool out of them. Yeah, it would of been so old school or cute if the dumb ass got upside down and caught and fire and we all got to see the skin melt off his arms. People send countless hours making sure drivers are safe or spend countless hours helping with recovery funds or benefits to help drivers when they are hurt, KO's actions is a slap in the face to all of them. Did anyone see any cars go up in flames duirng the Bowl? I think there was a few but its OK because he looked so damn cool....

1/15/08, 12:46 AM	#35 Re: KO- Old School
Hawker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 349	What about these cars that the right side opening is so small that even a midget couldn't get out? What happens when one of these is upside down with the LH side against the wall and it catches fire? Alot of people sure can't see the forrest for the trees...:headbang:

1/15/08, 1:15 AM	#36 Re: KO- Old School
RacinJason Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 111	I think if it's ok to take the suit off it should be ok to take the roll cage off. :Steer .

1/15/08, 6:08 AM	#38 Re: KO- Old School
P&G Photo Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 13	While I agree that getting into any race car without every bit of safety equipment available to you is not a wise thing to do, I respect KO's decision to do so. First of all, the man has been racing for close to thirty years. I think that qualifies him to assess the risks and dangers involved in racing midgets. The man is a past National Champion. The man has been injured and burned before and if he's still willing to take the risk then so be it. He has that right as an adult in America to make his own decisions and live with any consequences. If, by choosing to race in this manner, he has violated any rules concerning safety equipment set forth by the promoter or sanctioning body; then he should be punished accordingly by the race officials. If he hasn't violated any rules he should be allowed to race as he chooses. Would the race fans here be as angry if I said that "beer should banned from the race track because those who drink it might become drunk and then they could fall down and injure themselves." The race fans who drink beer at the track are choosing to take a risk and live with the consequences. Only they don't have a bunch of people calling them names on a message board. I think that KO should get the same courtesy. Kevin Plummer

1/15/08, 7:24 AM	#40 Re: KO- Old School
Dwight Clock Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,233	For a driver, any driver, be it KO, Tony Stewart, or anyone, to attempt to race without a minimum of a fire retardent driving suit and a full face helmet in 2008 is foolhardy. Please don't tell me about the drivers ability or accomplishments. Or about his "rights" as an American to do so. For a track, event, or racing organization to allow this is equally foolhardy. And I am quite sure that the insurance company that covered this event was fully aware of this.:action-smiley-049:And don't tell me that this is the Chili Bowl and the track is small so the liklihood of anything going wrong is slim. I lost the best friend I ever had in racing when, in a full bodied, fully caged stock car, he hit the wall and broke his neck going about 50 mph on a 1/5 mile track. (Ernie Maynor - Islip Speedway - May 1, 1982) We talk a lot about the "Good old days" here but that doesn't mean that everything that happened back in the 50's and 60's was ok. Drivers died on a far too regular basis. This occured because safety features that could have saved many of them hadn't been designed and utilized as yet. Now we have roll cages, fire retardent uniforms, Hans devices, and a myriad of other safety ADVANCEMENTS that have made racing much safer than ever before. Are we to simply ignore these advancements so that someone can have "a little fun"? If drivers were allowed to "exercise their rights as American citizens" and choose what, if any safety devices to use then the number of racing deaths and serious injuries would go way up. This, of course, would lead to that other inalienable American right, the lawsuit. Families would sue event organizers and put them out of business. Aren't we losing enough tracks to suburban sprawl? Why must people be put in unneccesary danger to exercise our rights? Common sense needs to prevail here. I'd like for racing to be around for my grandchildren to enjoy.