[Hubie]

Sounds to me like the same group of ankle biters who were in support of the last rolling ********, the "new" silver crown cars. I never saw them run, but understand they had some stellar fields.

As long as no team owner is forced to buy them.

Oh, and this "fan" has been to at least 2 Silver Crown events (Champ Dirt Cars) since 1980. Always hit the Illinois Miles, Indy Miles, IRP (ORP). Saw all the SuMar Classics and have been to several 4 Crown Nationals. I am your demographic..... and much like the last guy who tried to re-invent the wheel, alienating fans by attempting to belittle them is a recipe for failure. Almost every "fan" that I ran across on message board who were in support of the failed attempt by USAC were doing so for alterior motives. Most had no investment what so ever....

so, If I wish to see road racing, it sure as hell wont be a front engine, solid axle, two speed tube framed car. And I know my way to Elkhart Lake, Blackhawk Farms, Mid Ohio, Sebring, Road Atlanta etc.

Best of Luck

ps - NASCAR, using them as a model for anything is a bad idea.

To all of the naysayers, STFU! As the one gentleman said, the team owners are doing this ON THEIR OWN! Can you at least respect the fact that they are trying to make the cars more entertaining and "appealing". And as has already been stated, nothing in your cherished Silver Crown/Sprint world is going to change with the re-introduction of these cars.

So why not, sit back, shut up, and just see what happens. You may just be surprised.

Good luck to everyone involved in this project.

P.S.: Don't forget, you can always sanction yourselves. The small block supermods at Oswego are this way, and they seemed to have a very well run group.

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Originally Posted by Hubie so, If I wish to see road racing, it sure as hell wont be a front engine, solid axle, two speed tube framed car.

So you don't watch the Cup, Nationwide, or ARCA road races then huh?

[miledirt]

Originally Posted by sc96 A true race fan of our sport would have nothing but positive words for what the Goldcrown group is trying to do. FACT 1, Give midget,sprint,and silvercrown drivers and owners a chance to run larger venues that with out Goldcrown they would NEVER GET A CHANCE TO DO. FACT 2, Give the same group of drivers a chance to get speedway experience on tracks larger than 1 mile (Silvercrown is down to one 1 mile track ) so to get that experience drivers are forced to go to ARCA etc. FACT 3 A driver must have speedway experience to even get NASCAR license. So every driver who wants to move up is forced to pay out a dump truck load of money and if you dont have the money you get no chance at all. The Goldcrown series will give drivers the experience on larger tracks that they must have for alot less money. So there for more guys can get there shot and get the experience they need. So what is the down side to this program?? I dont see one.

I am totally on board, completely supportive and can't wait for this series to get started. I'm through with CART reborn

[sc96]

Originally Posted by Hubie Sounds to me like the same group of ankle biters who were in support of the last rolling ********, the "new" silver crown cars. I never saw them run, but understand they had some stellar fields. As long as no team owner is forced to buy them. Oh, and this "fan" has been to at least 2 Silver Crown events (Champ Dirt Cars) since 1980. Always hit the Illinois Miles, Indy Miles, IRP (ORP). Saw all the SuMar Classics and have been to several 4 Crown Nationals. I am your demographic..... and much like the last guy who tried to re-invent the wheel, alienating fans by attempting to belittle them is a recipe for failure. Almost every "fan" that I ran across on message board who were in support of the failed attempt by USAC were doing so for alterior motives. Most had no investment what so ever.... so, If I wish to see road racing, it sure as hell wont be a front engine, solid axle, two speed tube framed car. And I know my way to Elkhart Lake, Blackhawk Farms, Mid Ohio, Sebring, Road Atlanta etc. Best of Luck ps - NASCAR, using them as a model for anything is a bad idea.

So you are calling A.J Foyt, Darryl Guiducci, Steve Weirech,Sam Pierce,Ron Hemmelgarn,Carl Edwards, I could go on ankle biters YOU ARE A MORON!!!!!!!. All of the named above were involved from the start and if those gentlemen are who you consider ankle biters I and several thousand others would be very proud to be ankle biters.

[RACEMS41]

To Hubie: Who bit you in the butt? If you don't like what we are doing don't go. Maybe we don't like what you are involved with but we aren't trying to pee on your parade.

To Bruce Ashmore: If all of these posser's (I'm sorry I meant posters) knew what you have gone through and are going through to get the Gold Crown going they probobly woundn't believe it. He is single handidly doing every thing. Not just design work but the sourcing of the parts, body, potential schedule, sponsors etc.etc. He is truly a one man band. Some of this by choice some not.
As said earlier USAC IS NOT INVOLVED. They may come on later as the sanctioning organization...maybe not. Through the generocity of several Gold Crown series owners ( you guys know who you are) Bruce is able to see his vision go forward. I'm proud to be a part of it and hope to continue on WHEN it is revived.

Rodney (sc96) : Thanks for holding our end up!! It does not go unnoticed.

To all who support the project thank you...to those who do not you are going to miss an oportunity to add a new level to racing.

Jim Paternoster

[Ovalmeister]

I can't wait to see the new Gold Crown series in action. I'm sure most of the ney-sayers would agree, had this series not replaced the traditional Silver Crowns in the first place. But it happened, the mistake has been rectified, (thanks USAC for bringing back the traditionals) and now it's time to ADD the Gold Crowns.
To echo what others have said, I don't see the problem with adding something new and different to watch, especially if it gives short trackers another destination to strive for.
As for Mr. Ashmore's comment about USAC not promoting them, I agree but also can understand why. Not to defend USAC, but being realistic, they have so many irons in the fire right now. And most of those irons are having severe problems. Maybe the Gold Crowns are not high on their "to do" list right now. Hopefully when the Gold Crown debut draws near (2011?) they will put on a full court press, in the promotional department, for the Gold Crowns, time will tell. If not, as someone else said, sanction and promote yourselves, it's a good product.
David.

[Pat O'Connor Fan]

Originally Posted by Hubie And I know my way to Elkhart Lake, Blackhawk Farms, Mid Ohio, Sebring, Road Atlanta etc.

BFD !!

I've been to LeMans 24 hour, Spa-Francorchamps, Reims 12 Hour, Trier, etc.
I even ran a couple laps around the LeMans course in my 1963 A-H Sprite the night before the 1964 24 Hour event.

But I still want to see the Gold Crown series succeed.

[BuckeyeBullet]

Originally Posted by Pat O'Connor Fan BFD !! I've been to LeMans 24 hour, Spa-Francorchamps, Reims 12 Hour, Trier, etc. I even ran a couple laps around the LeMans course in my 1963 A-H Sprite the night before the 1964 24 Hour event. But I still want to see the Gold Crown series succeed.

I'm jealous...all tracks I dream of driving in anger

Originally Posted by Hubie Mr Ashmore, have you fallen on your head? Knowing a thing or two about racing and fans, this is a collosal failure waiting to happen. Best of luck to you and your "group"

Bruce Ashmore forgot more about racing before he was 30 than you'll ever know. The man's designed championship winning race cars for TWO DIFFERENT CHASSIS COMPANIES!

Originally Posted by Hubie ps - NASCAR, using them as a model for anything is a bad idea.

Yeah, who would want what NASCAR has? Million dollar sponsors, STILL 60,000+ fans at each race, daily television coverage and wall-to-wall race weekend coverage, why would anyone want to be that successful?

[Blackduce]

Watching Bristol and the Whelen Modifieds are running with Ryan Newman and Kasey Kane. Maby the Gold Cup cars are already made and racing. A couple snips on the roof or leave them alone. Not bad racing going on for 150 laps. Engines are 360's.

Lynn