[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by sc96 you could go to a very hard right rear.

the answer is the same car for pavement and dirt!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by seadog i'm not sure how much credence is in this. Maybe duke has some cold hard facts. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe the decision makers have talked to duke and tell him what they have decided to do - or maybe not. I am a pavement fan. I've never been afraid to admit it on here. I know i am in the minority on iow. But i prefer it. Nothing wrong with dirt, but i like pavement better. All i can say is if the pavement goes away then so will i. I may hit a few dirt races just to stay in touch, but without pavement usac racing, i will become more scarce than i already am at tracks. Looks like duke reeled in some big ones on this thread.

did you read do.'s post? Or you just want to to be neg.!

[sc96]

One thing to look at is Kevin Miller has always said he is selling a product well if the product is not selling dump it. This is very hard to swallow for the people who live and breath sprint car racing but on the other hand 12 cars showing up for a race is very sad for sprint cars. I can see the reason Kevin is dropping the pavement sprint cars its because the paying public is not buying the show and when 12-15 cars show up why would you go pay to watch. The Silver Crown cars are in the same boat and unless USAC comes up with a long term plan you are going to see a steady decline in our sport. All the top divisions are loosing car owners faster than new ones are comming on.

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by kinser as scary as it is i agree with you on a couple of things. I think that you should have to run dirt to have a championship trail. I also agree about the tire width. I disagree about the rear engine cars. When the rear engine cars were around you had to have 2 cars, because the rear engine cars wouldn't work on dirt. posted via mobile device

what cars win the open wheel division at pikes peak? Rear engine! Thats scary!

[sc96]

Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE the answer is the same car for pavement and dirt!!!!!!!!!!!! ---------- Post added at 10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:13 AM ---------- did you read do.'s post? Or you just want to to be neg.!

One car for both is a good idea but could it get done.How would you inforce it. Could you somehow tag a car that is a true combo car and award it more points per show and make it a advantage to run the same car on pavement and dirt.

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by sc96 one thing to look at is kevin miller has always said he is selling a product well if the product is not selling dump it. This is very hard to swallow for the people who live and breath sprint car racing but on the other hand 12 cars showing up for a race is very sad for sprint cars. I can see the reason kevin is dropping the pavement sprint cars its because the paying public is not buying the show and when 12-15 cars show up why would you go pay to watch. The silver crown cars are in the same boat and unless usac comes up with a long term plan you are going to see a steady decline in our sport. All the top divisions are loosing car owners faster than new ones are comming on.

i hate to tell you this but he has no ideal what to do too save usac! No back ground in open wheel racing! Race the same car on dirt and pavement like we done for years we had plenty of cars on both kind of tracks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Champ sprints midgets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who fault is it you only have 12 cars? Usac the anwser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are a lot of paved tracks in the us. But you have to get off your ass and go out and get races outside of ohio ind mich!!!!!!!!!!

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE the answer is the same car for pavement and dirt!!!!!!!!!!!! ---------- Post added at 10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:13 AM ---------- did you read do.'s post? Or you just want to to be neg.!

What is negative about what I said? The fact is at least for for me - no pavement, no Seadog. No negativity. That is a fact. And how is what I posted even remotely related to D.O.'s post? Please explain yourself, Duke.

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by sc96 one car for both is a good idea but could it get done.how would you inforce it. Could you somehow tag a car that is a true combo car and award it more points per show and make it a advantage to run the same car on pavement and dirt.

we done is for years!!!!!!!!!!!! As you want to say combo car! ***? Build cars to the spec! We had in the 50 60 70! Engine location! -wheel base -width all you would do is build a frame!

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Originally Posted by seadog what is negative about what i said? The fact is at least for for me - no pavement, no seadog. No negativity. That is a fact. And how is what i posted even remotely related to d.o.'s post? Please explain yourself, duke.

how bout you reeled in a big one? Do has heard this also!

[spankytoo]

Originally Posted by kinser here are a few things i think would save pavement racing. 1- we need to change the offset rule, this would decrease the left rear weight bias and in effect unhook the big motors. 2-lower the price of tires, usac needs to either open the tire rule up or tell hoosier this is the set price if you want to be the exclusive supplier sell tires at this price or we will take other bids. 3- increase the purse on pavement, pay 7000 to win and spread a little more on back through the field. posted via mobile device

outlaw testing at the tracks that they race at!!!

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by spankytoo outlaw testing at the tracks that they race at!!!

same car for pavement and dirt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes cheaper tires!!!!

[are39]

As far as I know, nothing is preventing anyone from running the same car on both surfaces. I am VERY aware of the differences between the cars, and why they are different....so each can go as fast as they can on their respective surfaces. In NO way do I see making MORE rules reducing the costs. By making more rules, you eliminate innovation and new ideas, and in effect, the little guy's chances. With so many rules, all you need is money to buy the right parts. The know-how or ingenuity to try something different is eliminated even if it can be done simplier or cheaper than the rules state. Open the tire rules....open the engine rules....like Duke said, have basic car specs.....keep the safety rules in place, and go racing...may the best racer win!!