[DAD]

Originally Posted by KYRON the picture of the orange car looks legal to me

Ron

Neat the way I stuck that picture in there huh.!!! I'm gona be real puter literate pretty soon.

Honest Dad himself

[openwheel44]

First..........it's NOT my place to decide anything on my own. I have no agenda other than try to control costs, help class grow and maybe make the racing as competitive as possible. Everything decided was a GROUP decision. All the central region Lightning/Minisprint groups were represented and gave their input and voiced their concerns. What we have it the product of those discussions coupled with final decisions that were done by email after the rules package had worked it's way back to individual group meetings for additional input.

Everyone appreciates constructive discussions and differences of opinion. As long as it stays constructive. BTW.....Personally........I respect your input and obviously your experience.

There was no intention to make any chassis illegal. It was decided that the chain must pass inside the main frame rails at the motor plate area where the upright for the roll cage usually connects. Pretty simple. If someone wants to deviate and press the intent of the rule from there............knock yourself out. Just know that somewhere a tech man that "understands" the true intend of the rule might hammer your a$$ if your obvious intentions are WAY OUTSIDE THE BOX. This is why EVERYTHING is subject to review. Racers are racers......always experimenting or selling the gimmick of the week.

[PatrickMead#13]

Originally Posted by openwheel44 First..........it's NOT my place to decide anything on my own. I have no agenda other than try to control costs, help class grow and maybe make the racing as competitive as possible. Everything decided was a GROUP decision. All the central region Lightning/Minisprint groups were represented and gave their input and voiced their concerns. What we have it the product of those discussions coupled with final decisions that were done by email after the rules package had worked it's way back to individual group meetings for additional input. Everyone appreciates constructive discussions and differences of opinion. As long as it stays constructive. BTW.....Personally........I respect your input and obviously your experience. There was no intention to make any chassis illegal. It was decided that the chain must pass inside the main frame rails at the motor plate area where the upright for the roll cage usually connects. Pretty simple. If someone wants to deviate and press the intent of the rule from there............knock yourself out. Just know that somewhere a tech man that "understands" the true intend of the rule might hammer your a$$ if your obvious intentions are WAY OUTSIDE THE BOX. This is why EVERYTHING is subject to review. Racers are racers......always experimenting or selling the gimmick of the week.

I can see where the rule fits. I was going to sneak a 1000cc in a midget and run the chain just on the outside of the frame so my seat was centered in there. It measured the center / center exactly at 6"....... I like that common ground has been reached and it seems all parties involved are still willing to negotiate collectively towards a common goal.

[DAD]

Originally Posted by PatrickMead#13 I can see where the rule fits. I was going to sneak a 1000cc in a midget and run the chain just on the outside of the frame so my seat was centered in there. It measured the center / center exactly at 6"....... I like that common ground has been reached and it seems all parties involved are still willing to negotiate collectively towards a common goal.

Pat

Guys did it like you are thinking about in the past. The problem is when you go outside the frame rain all of a sudden you have a frame rail and a torsion arm in the way of the rear sprocket also. So you end up with the axle centered or shifted way to the left to make room for the sprocket and chain. It would probably be better to run the chain inside the frame to get the max offset for the rear axle and move the driver to the right about 2 1/2 inches. Nobody ever gets that much engine offset anyhow, just one of them old lingering rules that nobody checks anyhow or bothered to eleminate. The sidewinders do it that way to make room for the drivers legs. As soon as you say the feet must be behind the engine there is no reason to go to the left too much with your engine.

Honest Dad himself

[jjones752]

If the intent of the rule is that "the chain must pass inside the main frame rails at the motor plate area where the upright for the roll cage usually connects", then that's how it should read, then there's no "gray area" to exploit, and no confusion as to what defines the main frame rail. You know Dad's gonna look for the loophole; not neccesarily to take advantage of it, but to show you the potential for misunderstanding of our Mother Tongue...

[DAD]

You know a long wheel base TQ is the same wheel base of a short Mini sprint. A late model 1000cc motor in one of them little things would be one kick in the pants.

A 225 horsepower TQ!!! and it would probably be 50 pounds lighter than an old 750 Honda.

Honest Dad himself

[openwheel44]

Point well taken. This is one of those instances that other's input is much appreciated. I will adjust the verbage. Thank you.

[PatrickMead#13]

Originally Posted by DAD You know a long wheel base TQ is the same wheel base of a short Mini sprint. A late model 1000cc motor in one of them little things would be one kick in the pants. A 225 horsepower TQ!!! and it would probably be 50 pounds lighter than an old 750 Honda. Honest Dad himself

I just might know where one is hiding.....

[Bradleyracing86]

Pat I have the measurements and motor plates to convert a standard midget into a Minisprint if you need them.

[PatrickMead#13]

Originally Posted by Bradleyracing86 Pat I have the measurements and motor plates to convert a standard midget into a Minisprint if you need them.

I might take you up on that. I currently have an engine plate milled for a tq Suzuki setup in a full size beast midget.