PP Outlaw much better you and Bill and Jerry and the other race directors to sit around and read all of this bull, then cull out the good from the bad and make the rules according to what you see as fair and good for the sport. I can still remember going to "CLUB" meetings and hearing every body trying to get the rules so that the rules favored them. I can still see this little 90pound driver standing up and wanting not to raise the weight rule. Then the alky deal, and what about electronic injection we could never go to that just too expensive.

Without a doubt rules are much better left to one person with the desire to make things better for everyone. Usually my questions will be just to keep you guys thinking and bringing some things to light that you may not see by being up so close. I'm trying to be a friend of the court.

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I have an ultrasonic thickness gauge. I have left it home in the past because I didn't want to stir things up. The best way to add weight to a car is with the proper thicknes tubing. You can get these things on Ebay for couple hundred bucks now. I loaned it to a friend for a open wheel modified race 2 years ago and after checking several cars the race director told him to put the darned thing up. Seems like most of the cars used too thin tubing in the roll bar and he wouldn't be able to have a race because he would DQ most of his racers.

I support this post 100%. Box stock motors are available and need little to convert to mini sprint racing. Thanks for your comments.

I don't support the ultra high weight rules, alot of people have no idea how to bolt weight to a car properly. Last year at Lawrenceburg we nearly ruined a frame the first night out after hitting a chunk of lead at 100+ mph.

well hell less just RUN WHAT CHA BRUNG and hope ya brung enough...$$$ no problem EVERYONE has plenty of them!!!

I could not agree more, in fact this should be the case for ALL open wheel racing.

one quick an easy way to add weight is replace floor pan with 1/2" thick steel plate...weighs about 50#....steel weighs .2836 pds/cubic inch

This is my shock rule for next year

SHOCKS:
as of now any shock or shock package...
There will be a shock package run for 2012 to keep the cost down a ASB Pro Shock adjustable rebound at $185.00 each STAMPED with SSLS

Shocks have become the most expensive thing you can add on these cars up to $1000.00 per shock.. [size] we (SSLSS) fill the need to eliminate this cost BEFORE it gets out of hand

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they can also weld tabs for the weight to bolt to...if the rules is against you you will complain.... if the rule is in your favor you will be ok with it.... so sometimes you have to take the BAD with the GOOD

After reading all of these post I wonder where a mechanical fuel injection system fits into this picture. My goal is to run E-85 with MMSA and by the time I get my car ready in 2013 ILSS will supposedly be running gas only. After reading all the rule discussion I hate to spend the money on a mechanical fuel injection system if I can't use it. I have the stock EFI off the bike but by the time I spend all the money on conversions I might as well spend a little extra on the mechanical injection to run with both groups.

Royal I dont think you have to worry about this being official. I may be one of the few lightning sprint drivers that travles. I bounce from MMSA, ILSA, MLS and plan on going to WIMS and RMLSA next year. Unless you see the racers come up with a firm plan and demand the groups follow it this is just a discussion. But want sparked it was ILSA rule next year of 1000# on ALKY cars vs #925 gas. Here is the dyno sheet for everyone to see how close gas and alky are. Several of us on here feel in consistency of rules around the country is hurting this sport. Tulsa shoot out would be the best place to hold a racers meeting if anyone was series about coming up with some realistic rules package for these cars so someone can go from Calf. to NY and know they are legal and competitive.

****IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF YOUR SHOCK BUT HOW YOU USE IT !**** Probably of all the go fast glittering BULL S#@T out there I would miss my adjustable shocks the most. We have used them since about the time ARS first brought them out in the 90's. We used to go racing with 10 or 12 shocks on the trailer wall and change shocks as required. Sometimes changing shocks worked sometimes it didn't. Now we go to the track with the 4 shocks on the car 2 remote adjust and 2 external adjustable. We now do the work of those dozen shocks with these 4. I can make the point that these 4 are cheeper to own in the long run than owning 8 more less expensive shocks. Put in the hands of a driver that know the way to turn them, they also helps in the last few laps of the race.

We crashed once and threw the right front shocks up into the stands at Little Salem. Sent it back to ARS they rebuilt it and put it back together for $125.00 and it was good as new. Sometime quality is really less expensive to own and race with than cheap throw away stuff.

When ARS first brought out the cockpit adjustable left rear shock a friend of mine who raced USAC Midgets was one of the first to get them. He had a young high profile driver driving for him and almost every race the driver would come in with the shocks turned in the wrong direction. To compesate for this my friend made the adjustment before the race un-hooked the cable to the shock and let the young driver turn the knob all he wanted.

I would much rather do away with our super-trick paint job and graphics than our adjustable shocks.