[DonMoore10]

Originally Posted by Revolution Racing Mr. Moore, I'm not defending nor attacking the status quo, but rather I'm merely stating what it is. A very wise man once said "We don't need to MAKE the rules... we just need to UNDERSTAND them". Right now, today, at most short tracks, the operator needs this revenue in order for his effort to pencil out. If he does not get this revenue from current sources his choices will be to get it elsewhere, or to take a loss, or to quit this business activity. You kind of sound a little nuts to me, Mr. Moore....

First of all, how about if we leave the phychological evaluations out of the mix, OK? There are already too many Dr. Phils on this message board and we don't need another. Thanks.

Maybe you're not reading my previous post correctly or I'm not explaining my position very well. Let's try this again.

In your above statement you are saying that track promoters need the entry/pit pass revenue to stay in business. OK. Fine.... How do you know this? You are drawing a conclusion based on what evidence??

Have you actually seen a track promoter's books? Could it be that a lot of the tracks are run by bad business people? If you have no evidence that a track promoter needs the revenue, then you are making statements that have no foundation for what you are saying. If somebody is running a business and they are about to go broke, they may want to hire a consultant. A consultant who is business savy will first look at the books and see how the person is operating their business. There's nothing "nuts" about this. It's quite simple, in fact. So far you have just made statements and have nothing to back up what you are claiming. It sounds to me like you have fallen into the trap of "that's the way it's always been done" syndrome that a lot of race people can't seem to escape from because that's the only way they've ever known.

[Revolution Racing]

First off, you are correct about the whole nuts comment - out of line on my part

OK deep breath and lets take one, last, run at this. Everything you are saying is absolutely correct. I have absolutely NO evidence that these promoters MUST have this revenue in order to remain viable. There is nothing written down anywhere, that I know of, that states this is how short track race promotion MUST be done.

And yet.... this IS how it's being done. And, if the ideas you espouse could possibly work within our current conditions, don't you suppose SOMEBODY would jump on that? After all, if somebody could figure out how do do it, it would be hugely popular - EVERYBODY would race with that guy.

Personally, I'd really like it if gas was reduced to $1 per gallon for anyone towing a race trailer. And, free 'In 'n Out' combo #1 for anybody with a pit wristband after midnight. But to sit here and type into this keyboard about it is, well... kinda nuts.

OK back to work.

[DonMoore10]

Originally Posted by Revolution Racing And yet.... this IS how it's being done. And, if the ideas you espouse could possibly work within our current conditions, don't you suppose SOMEBODY would jump on that?

ARE YOU KIDDIN' ME??? There's not a promoter in this country that's going to give up that revenue unless they are forced to.... like a boycott of some sort.. and that's not going to happen since there is no organized labor of owners and drivers. Let's face it. The promoters have the owners and drivers by the B###S.

Of all the promoters that read and/or participate on this site, and there probably are dozens (hiding behind some screen name), only one has come forward with any type of info on this subject. What does that tell you?????

[Vukie]

Remind me never to post about midget racing again.

[DonMoore10]

You IOWheelers have no idea what goes on at the backgate....

[Big Willy]

I can't believe it but I somewhat agree with Mr. Moore. I think track operators should let the driver in with the car without charging a pit pass. The owner does not however have any right to a free ride as they add no value to the event - they don't put on the show. What constitutes ownership anyway? If I purchase a t-shirt am I a fractional owner? How about if I buy a shock or tire for the team? I could see several persons claiming ownership and wanting a free pit pass. I guess we could make the owner show the title to the car and only the name on the title would get the pit pass.

I also think that much like the Pro Hooters golf tour, and NASCAR (which both have hefty entry fees) that only the A-main cars get any monies. The rest need to go back to work on their game if you will and get good enough to get paid for what they enjoy doing or consider it a hobby - like boating (very expensive, seasonal with no ROI)...

[DonMoore10]

Originally Posted by Big Willy The owner does not however have any right to a free ride as they add no value to the event - they don't put on the show.

I think my head just spun around five times on my body...........

[AustinSprinter]

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[Chris Nunn]

[QUOTE=DonMoore10;190112]And as a car owner with a huge investment on the line and part of the show that people come to watch... the Gundakers at Tri City promoting the Gold Crown midgets nationals two years ago paid me $30 for showing up and driving 1000 miles round trip to entertain his audience and I had to call them a few times to get that. ***[COLOR="Black"]

I have a huge investment in it as well, a lot of time, research, and dedication to helping put on a show and be an informative liason between the drivers and the fans.

[DonMoore10]

I'm wondering if you buy a pit pass and paid $30 as an announcer? If so, my calculator reads that you'd walk out of the speedway with $0.