Lawrenceburg draw needs a change

dustbowl · 4/12/10, 9:23 PM

At Lawrenceburg the draw is not as big of an issue as it is at other tracks due to the fact that it is big enough where if you are fast you can pass and can get to the front, and if you are not fast you are going to go backwards. The top 2 also redraw, so if you start in the back you can get to 2nd and still have a shot to start in the front. At places like Bloomington and Gas City where its tight and often one groove heat race time, unless the track is perfect and not overly heavy or overly slick, you are a lot more dependant on the luck of the draw. It would be nice if someone could come up with a way to even things out a little bit, whether be draw for heat races and include some passing points or qualify. The No way Out 40 format was pretty cool. I like the group qualifying/hot laps at Kokomo, but even that has negatives because the first group is pretty handicapped, but usually groups 2 and on are pretty good, but I still think its better than a blind draw. In the end the draw is going to favor some and hinder some, but Ithink it is possible to improve things. I understand a lot of tracks cannot group qualify due to not having transponders

smith19 · 4/12/10, 9:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Rudisell

If it was up to me, i'd start all 8 cars on the front row, that would be cool!!:2:

that's an x drag racer for ya.........

racegal · 4/12/10, 9:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Rudisell

If it was up to me, i'd start all 8 cars on the front row, that would be cool!!:2:

Hahaha!!!

Eagle14 · 4/12/10, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by treecitytornado

I want to start out by saying I had a great time racing at the Legendary Lawrenceburg Speedway Saturday night! The track was in great shape and was fast.

I do however have an issue with the original draw. I do like using the bingo ball mixer. That is fair. The unfair part is a low number should put you towards the front of a heat race and not towards the back. This is not the case with the way the draw is currently done

I drew the 6th lowest number of everyone Saturday night and should have started outside the front row of the 2nd heat with there being 4 heat races. Instead I started 6th in the first heat.

This is not right! You are going by the luck of the draw and trying to get a low number and then you penalize the guy when he does.

The American Sprint Car Tour will put the lowest pill on the pole of the first heat and the second lowest on the pole of the 2nd heat and so on.

I was told by the track official that my way and our ASCT way would not make a difference but it makes a huge difference!!

Please take a look at this and make a change for the fairness of everyone.

Thanks,

J.T. Stapp

Sound's like there needs to be more throttle travel

illinisprintfan · 4/12/10, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Rudisell

If it was up to me, i'd start all 8 cars on the front row, that would be cool!!:2:

How many tow trucks do you have at that place??

Jrp4554 · 4/12/10, 10:20 PM

At least there IS a draw. I've ran a track before where you don't qualify at all. The track promoter puts you in whichever heat he wants and you start where ever he feels like having you start. As long as the draw is the same for everyone I don't have a problem with they way Lawrenceburg does it. I do appreciate how the guy started out the topic with saying how much fun he had. I think he was just looking for clarification rather than complaining any ways. JMO

Phylo82 · 4/12/10, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Rudisell

If it was up to me, i'd start all 8 cars on the front row, that would be cool!!:2:

That should make for an interesting view in turn 1. :2:

4/12/10, 10:21 PM

I work at two race tracks here in central Indiana, one that sets lineups from the pill draw and one that group qualifies, there are advantages to both. The track I work at like Lawrenceburg, Bloomington and most other tracks that lineup this way, the lineups are not set until every driver has drawn or the draw is closed. The reason for this is because we do the lineups straight up, meaning the person with the lowest number starts on the pole of the first heat, the next number starts outside of him, the next number starts inside row two and so on so fourth. The advantage to this is a person who draws a 60 isn't necessarily going to start in the back. Instead it depends on how everyone else draws. I believe a driver can not blame the pill draw for their entire night. The draw only sets up the heat races, once you get onto the race track you have to earn your spot in the feature. A driver should not depend on a "good draw," to make the show. Everyone has equal opportunity to race in, if you can not pass cars you do not deserve to be in the show. In my opinion ASCS has the best race format. You draw to set up a qualifying race, then from passing points and finish order it sets up the heat races. Once again from passing points and finish order it sets up the semi and main event. Either way you have to run good and pass cars. The fans are there to see good racing, not follow the leader that is determined by the draw, well unless your at a wing race. But the point to my post is if you want to make the race, race your way into it. Don't get upset because you had to start towards the back and couldn't pass anyone. No matter how you set up a race someone has to start in the back its what you do after the green flag drops that counts.

Stuckwieser · 4/12/10, 10:50 PM

Mr. Stapp, Your performance would have probably been the same whether you started in the front or back. Bottom Line. Secondly, I do not believe telling a race track how to operate is good for your scheduling opportunities with the race series you are co-promoting. Hopefully the first time someone voices their opinion about your series you handle it in a light hearted way like Dave Rudisell has. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and that was mine. The draw format that Lawrenceburg uses has worked for years with little or no complaints. They did not move you to the back of the heat just because you are JT Stapp, and you were a lapped car at Vernon and got paid for a top ten and ran to the bank without admitting it was incorrect. They did it because it is fair to all of the racers!! As Chuck said, Darland and Clarke did not have any issues getting to the front of their respective races. Hopefully you come back to Lawrenceburg and don't let the pill draw keep you away.

aelson27 · 4/12/10, 11:00 PM

As a fellow racer at Lawrenceburg I feel I can offer another driver's perspective. Am I a huge fan of the draw? No, I can't say that I am. (Unless it falls my way then I'm all for it but, lets be honest, who isn't?) But it IS a fair way to do it. Does it mean that sometimes people get bad draws? Sure. But we all get them and take them as it comes. And we pray we pull better next time. Gas City does it the exact same way and, to be honest, it is more fair than putting low numbers up front because then it truely becomes more luck of your pill as well as how many cars draw in front of you. The other method of draw ALWAYS gives 1-5 pole, 6-10 second, 11-15 third, and so on. At least with this method, my 60 pill draw put me outside front row. Yet I still finished third to drivers who started behind me. While I cannot say I'm a huge fan of it, I stand behind the draw and the way it is done. Lawrenceburg did their job in making a racey track. That is all they can do. Well done all around: Track prep, officials, and drivers. It's always a pleasure racing down at The Burg.

Andrew Elson

4/12/10, 9:23 PM	#21 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
dustbowl Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 269	At Lawrenceburg the draw is not as big of an issue as it is at other tracks due to the fact that it is big enough where if you are fast you can pass and can get to the front, and if you are not fast you are going to go backwards. The top 2 also redraw, so if you start in the back you can get to 2nd and still have a shot to start in the front. At places like Bloomington and Gas City where its tight and often one groove heat race time, unless the track is perfect and not overly heavy or overly slick, you are a lot more dependant on the luck of the draw. It would be nice if someone could come up with a way to even things out a little bit, whether be draw for heat races and include some passing points or qualify. The No way Out 40 format was pretty cool. I like the group qualifying/hot laps at Kokomo, but even that has negatives because the first group is pretty handicapped, but usually groups 2 and on are pretty good, but I still think its better than a blind draw. In the end the draw is going to favor some and hinder some, but Ithink it is possible to improve things. I understand a lot of tracks cannot group qualify due to not having transponders _________________________________________________ Last edited by dustbowl; 4/12/10 at 9:25 PM.

4/12/10, 10:20 PM	#26 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
Jrp4554 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 888	At least there IS a draw. I've ran a track before where you don't qualify at all. The track promoter puts you in whichever heat he wants and you start where ever he feels like having you start. As long as the draw is the same for everyone I don't have a problem with they way Lawrenceburg does it. I do appreciate how the guy started out the topic with saying how much fun he had. I think he was just looking for clarification rather than complaining any ways. JMO

4/12/10, 10:21 PM	#28 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
ctmckee Posts: n/a	I work at two race tracks here in central Indiana, one that sets lineups from the pill draw and one that group qualifies, there are advantages to both. The track I work at like Lawrenceburg, Bloomington and most other tracks that lineup this way, the lineups are not set until every driver has drawn or the draw is closed. The reason for this is because we do the lineups straight up, meaning the person with the lowest number starts on the pole of the first heat, the next number starts outside of him, the next number starts inside row two and so on so fourth. The advantage to this is a person who draws a 60 isn't necessarily going to start in the back. Instead it depends on how everyone else draws. I believe a driver can not blame the pill draw for their entire night. The draw only sets up the heat races, once you get onto the race track you have to earn your spot in the feature. A driver should not depend on a "good draw," to make the show. Everyone has equal opportunity to race in, if you can not pass cars you do not deserve to be in the show. In my opinion ASCS has the best race format. You draw to set up a qualifying race, then from passing points and finish order it sets up the heat races. Once again from passing points and finish order it sets up the semi and main event. Either way you have to run good and pass cars. The fans are there to see good racing, not follow the leader that is determined by the draw, well unless your at a wing race. But the point to my post is if you want to make the race, race your way into it. Don't get upset because you had to start towards the back and couldn't pass anyone. No matter how you set up a race someone has to start in the back its what you do after the green flag drops that counts.

4/12/10, 10:50 PM	#29 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
Stuckwieser Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 19	Mr. Stapp, Your performance would have probably been the same whether you started in the front or back. Bottom Line. Secondly, I do not believe telling a race track how to operate is good for your scheduling opportunities with the race series you are co-promoting. Hopefully the first time someone voices their opinion about your series you handle it in a light hearted way like Dave Rudisell has. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and that was mine. The draw format that Lawrenceburg uses has worked for years with little or no complaints. They did not move you to the back of the heat just because you are JT Stapp, and you were a lapped car at Vernon and got paid for a top ten and ran to the bank without admitting it was incorrect. They did it because it is fair to all of the racers!! As Chuck said, Darland and Clarke did not have any issues getting to the front of their respective races. Hopefully you come back to Lawrenceburg and don't let the pill draw keep you away.