[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by Bill Gardner THIS IS WHY... PEOPLE POST! YOU STARTED IT. If you wanted this message to go to Tony only, then send a private message. If you post in a public forum.... you should expect the public to join in.

BILL IF THEY HAD SOMETIME TO SAY ABOUT WHAT WHERE TALKING ABOUT! THATS FINE! BUT MOST GET WAY OFF IN RIGHT FIELD OR ATTACK PEOPLE! I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT SPEEDSPORT NEWS! NOT SURFING! AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THIS ********! ???????????????????:doh::headbang

[Bill Gardner]

Duke, I think you need to understand that not every post that is made on this board is directed to you. Some people just feel like expressing themselves. Right field or not, they have something to say... and asking someone "*** are you talking about" causes people not to post and encourages personal attacks.

You know, you could've simply stated.... Hey man, I don't understand the point your trying to make. That simple statement would have eliminated this conversation completely.

[Tony Barhorst]

Uncle Buck,

I will tell you the truth...I can see why some event promoters do not advertise much...because many times the return on your dollar is not worth it. It used to be you only had three television networks, radio and newspaper.
It is now much harder to reach the masses, with cable and the internet segmenting the audience. It is very easy to overspend on advertising.

I plan on running an ad in the NSSN Track guide for the Speedrome races...and maybe the Indy Star. I am going to call the Star today..but I can tell you it will be expensive.

This thread has been entertaining, and that is the goal on IOW...one KEY thing for everyone to remember...Lets have fun with the good natured zingers...and not take this stuff to seriously where it gets to be hateful. I think zingers are ok....but no personal attacks...I thought it was funny when Duke wondered ***....lol

But Uncle Buck had a right to chime in also...It looks like he doesn't see much short track promotion in the area
he is from...That market is VERY expensive....racing probably gets the niche sport treatment like surfing up there.
If someone zings you...zing em back...but not in a hurtfull way. Have fun with it

I have not always practiced this...but I find when I do...I have a better time.

I will also say this...LET DUKE BE DUKE!

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by Tony Barhorst Uncle Buck, I will tell you the truth...I can see why some event promoters do not advertise much...because many times the return on your dollar is not worth it. It used to be you only had three television networks, radio and newspaper. It is now much harder to reach the masses, with cable and the internet segmenting the audience. It is very easy to overspend on advertising. I plan on running an ad in the NSSN Track guide for the Speedrome races...and maybe the Indy Star. I am going to call the Star today..but I can tell you it will be expensive. This thread has been entertaining, and that is the goal on IOW...one KEY thing for everyone to remember...Lets have fun with the good natured zingers...and not take this stuff to seriously where it gets to be hateful. I think zigers are ok....but no personal attacks...I thought it was funny when Duke wondered ***....lol But Uncle Buck had a right to chime in also...It looks like he doesn't see much short track promotion in the area he is from...That market is VERY expensive....racing probably gets the niche sport treatment like surfing up there. If someone zings you...zing em back...but not in a hurtfull way. Have fun with it I have not always practiced this...but I find when I do...I have a better time. I will also say this...LET DUKE BE DUKE!

GEE THERE IS LIFE HERE!:applaud:

[unclebuck]

Originally Posted by Tony Barhorst Uncle Buck, I will tell you the truth...I can see why some event promoters do not advertise much...because many times the return on your dollar is not worth it. It used to be you only had three television networks, radio and newspaper. It is now much harder to reach the masses, with cable and the internet segmenting the audience. It is very easy to overspend on advertising. I plan on running an ad in the NSSN Track guide for the Speedrome races...and maybe the Indy Star. I am going to call the Star today..but I can tell you it will be expensive. This thread has been entertaining, and that is the goal on IOW...one KEY thing for everyone to remember...Lets have fun with the good natured zingers...and not take this stuff to seriously where it gets to be hateful. I think zingers are ok....but no personal attacks...I thought it was funny when Duke wondered ***....lol But Uncle Buck had a right to chime in also...It looks like he doesn't see much short track promotion in the area he is from...That market is VERY expensive....racing probably gets the niche sport treatment like surfing up the If someone zings you...zing em back...but not in a hurtfull way. Have fun with it I have not always practiced this...but I find when I do...I have a better time. I will also say this...LET DUKE BE DUKE!

Thanks Tony for the reply.
Your correct, the advertising in my home area is very expensive, as I'm sure any uban area is, such as Indy. I once had a PR guy tell me he didn't care to spend his advertising budget on ads in trade papers because only the hard core fan reads them. He said local advertising was more effective in bringing in fans to a track. This man had done pr work for both weekly racing at a track(Illiana) and the short lived IRA ? series. (old usac cars). This was of course pre- internet.
It seems to me you bring in alot of hard core, traveling fans to your races, like during sprint week and indoors. Would your advertising method be different if it was a weekly show you were promoting? I must admit I knew you promoted the heck out of the Boswell shows and the front gate , I hope, showed it. When you brought in that car crushing, fire breathing, dinasour thing, thats all the driver's 4 year old son could talk about. I imagine a lot of other kids felt the same way! We stopped working on the car to watch it!
Thanks for the info,. I always try to understand the promoters view of things. I for one always give them the benefit of doubt. Promoting is a massive undertaking frought with alot of pitfalls.
Dale Weis