Should I Be Surprised By This? - What Does This Say About Our Racing?

cecil98 · 1/30/09, 6:29 PM

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Originally Posted by riskybrisky5

Don Woo and The Allstars have a tire rule that is not why non wing is paying less than the wing guys. The fact is all wing races pay better than non wing. It is not the first place money both Allstars and USAC pay 5,000.00 to win. Second on back is where wing is way stronger than the non wing on purse. I believe with the Allstars it is 1,000.00 to run 10th and 500.00 to start. I think you have to run 4th to get a 1,000.00 with USAC. The Outlaws and the Allstars pay show up money plus the purse money. I do not know if USAC pays show up money or not. I do not know the answers but I wish non wing sprint car racing could get close to the wing payouts from 2nd on back.

Kevin, Brad made the All-Star feature up at Gas City a couple of years ago and I'm pretty sure it paid $400 to start. It may be $500 now. He made the Friday night All-Star feature at Lawrenceburg in 2007 and it paid $200 to start, which is what a regular show pays. We were quite disappointed with that. We were told that the Saturday night show paid $400 in '07

Sandy Lowe · 1/30/09, 7:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester

My Perfect world of USAC?

25-30 dollar gates
5000 to win 500 to start. 150 tow money.
Why there isn't ten 10000 to win shows in the series I don't understand and a handfull of 20-40g to win races

2008 USAC Indiana Sprint Week

$20.00 General Admission
$25.00 Pit Pass (USAC member)
$30.00 Pit Pass (non member)

$30.00 Entry Fee (USAC member)
$40.00 Entry Fee (non member)

$5,000.00 to win
$425.00 to start

riskybrisky5 · 1/30/09, 7:08 PM

Cecil I may be wrong I thought it was 500.00 to start. Yes prelim shows will pay less to start and to win. Like Sandy posted 3,000.00 to win at Ocala prelims. Like USAC prelims were I think 1,500.00 to win at Perris I may be wrong on that. I am not putting USAC down I am just stating facts that non wing racers are paid less than wing. From local tracks to MSCS, Sprint Bandit and USAC they all pay less than wing. As a fan or a racer I would much rather go to a non wing show because I think you see better racing. I just wish someday that non wing sprint car drivers could make a living doing it like Outlaw drivers can. I am basically retired but I hate the fact that a drivers like Dave Darland, Jerry Coons, Shane Cottle, Jon Stanbrough and the list goes on and on can not make a good living. Yes they love it and would do it for a trophy but I think these guys earn it more than a NFL, NBA, or Major league player does. Times are tough so I do not see it changing anytime soon and you may see the wing purses change. Personally I can not wait for the warm weather and racing to begin. Everyone have a great 2 months and see you this spring.

Motormasher · 1/30/09, 8:34 PM

I would not drive to Florida to watch a week of non wingy huggy pole bull $hit. But I have been there to watch the winged shows. The wings are so much faster there isn't even a comparison. Get over it.... wings are the fastest and most exciting way.

Im sick of everybody saying non wingy is better and cheaper but look around you, non wing drivers hurt all year long & car owners broke from all the flips.

All the non wingy's are running outlaw or left hand motors to hook up this junky a$$ DT-3 with a OW-96 LR tire, all the titanium parts they can buy to lighten up cars, offset it to the left as much as possible filling the left tubes with lead etc. Whats the difference? Nothing...... look at a USAC team in the pits compared to a Outlaw team and you can't tell the difference. As a matter of fact some of them are the same ...Ive seen it at Bloomington.

Non wingy's don't even compare to a wing car .....get over it. If you like non wingy so much run pavement. Sorry Risky Brisky your one of a kind.

1/30/09, 8:43 PM

Karl Kinser told my Dad once that to run a full WoO season cost him $500,000. That was 10-15 years ago. He had good sponsors and such and free parts to boot.

This years WoO champion

2008 Season Stats:
Driver Pts. $ Earned Wins Top 5 Top 10
Donny Schatz 9026 $335,845 18 46 58

Sponsored by Armor All & others. I don't think anyone's getting rich on the WoO circuit either unless you are a big name. Maybe 5 guys.

riskybrisky5 · 1/30/09, 9:01 PM

aceace you are right car owners go broke in both series. They have to have big pockets or big sponsors to follow any circuit. The smaller the organization the less the money most teams spend. Local racers usually spend the least. But from a drivers standpoint 40% of an outlaw driver compared to a non wing racer does not even come close. That was all I was saying is drivers can not make a living in non wing sprint cars. Aceace so have you been playing any cards?

Dave you are right wings are faster but non wing is side by side slicing and dicing. To me non wing racing blows the wing deal away. But do not get me wrong I love them both.

DW Blair · 1/30/09, 9:10 PM

I love them both. Grew up when it was all non-wing then the area I was in changed to winged. No biggie to me.
And speaking of Bill Rose, yes, he did go to the All Stars due to the money available. I also asked him then if the winged cars were so much easier to drive as all the non-wing fans say they are. He rolled his eyes and laughed. Then he said that if you think driving it in 30 mph faster makes it easier, you are very mistaken. He says that they are two different things. Each requires a totally different way of driving them.

Motormasher · 1/30/09, 9:32 PM

I seen you do your best driving with a wing Kevin.

DonMoore10 · 1/31/09, 1:17 AM

It's an insult for owners and drivers buying pit passes and paying entry fees to entertain the fans. Does the water truck guy or the race officials in the pits buy a pit pass?

NoviSpecial · 1/31/09, 2:37 AM

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Originally Posted by miledirt

Clayton, one of the more popular drivers as of late...has to go put the wing on because the money just isn't there with USAC and non wing shows. Or is that assumption not correct?

Shane Cottle is looking for a Silver Crown ride...good grief the guy has been awesome on dirt miles and he is on here looking for a ride?

What's going on?! Is this just the economy or what?

Money hasn't been there in USAC for decades...

Clayton used to run with a wing...

And I think Cottle is just being creative in looking for a ride and using any path (the internet) to let potential car owners know he's available. Smart move....

And let's face it - how many USAC guys do you know run USAC and make a living... and I'm not talking about the big teams, where drivers are offered salaries... I'm talking about independent operations with maybe a mild boost of sponsorship? Exactly....

I'm not bashing the series, I certainly have a love for it - but facts are facts....

1/30/09, 8:34 PM	#24 Re: Should I Be Surprised By This? - What Does This Say About Our Racing?
Motormasher Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 980	I would not drive to Florida to watch a week of non wingy huggy pole bull $hit. But I have been there to watch the winged shows. The wings are so much faster there isn't even a comparison. Get over it.... wings are the fastest and most exciting way. Im sick of everybody saying non wingy is better and cheaper but look around you, non wing drivers hurt all year long & car owners broke from all the flips. All the non wingy's are running outlaw or left hand motors to hook up this junky a$$ DT-3 with a OW-96 LR tire, all the titanium parts they can buy to lighten up cars, offset it to the left as much as possible filling the left tubes with lead etc. Whats the difference? Nothing...... look at a USAC team in the pits compared to a Outlaw team and you can't tell the difference. As a matter of fact some of them are the same ...Ive seen it at Bloomington. Non wingy's don't even compare to a wing car .....get over it. If you like non wingy so much run pavement. Sorry Risky Brisky your one of a kind. _________________________________________________ Last edited by Motormasher; 1/30/09 at 8:38 PM.

1/30/09, 7:08 PM	#23 Re: Should I Be Surprised By This? - What Does This Say About Our Racing?
riskybrisky5 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 284	Cecil I may be wrong I thought it was 500.00 to start. Yes prelim shows will pay less to start and to win. Like Sandy posted 3,000.00 to win at Ocala prelims. Like USAC prelims were I think 1,500.00 to win at Perris I may be wrong on that. I am not putting USAC down I am just stating facts that non wing racers are paid less than wing. From local tracks to MSCS, Sprint Bandit and USAC they all pay less than wing. As a fan or a racer I would much rather go to a non wing show because I think you see better racing. I just wish someday that non wing sprint car drivers could make a living doing it like Outlaw drivers can. I am basically retired but I hate the fact that a drivers like Dave Darland, Jerry Coons, Shane Cottle, Jon Stanbrough and the list goes on and on can not make a good living. Yes they love it and would do it for a trophy but I think these guys earn it more than a NFL, NBA, or Major league player does. Times are tough so I do not see it changing anytime soon and you may see the wing purses change. Personally I can not wait for the warm weather and racing to begin. Everyone have a great 2 months and see you this spring.

1/30/09, 8:43 PM	#25 Re: Should I Be Surprised By This? - What Does This Say About Our Racing?
aceace Posts: n/a	Karl Kinser told my Dad once that to run a full WoO season cost him $500,000. That was 10-15 years ago. He had good sponsors and such and free parts to boot. This years WoO champion 2008 Season Stats: Driver Pts. $ Earned Wins Top 5 Top 10 Donny Schatz 9026 $335,845 18 46 58 Sponsored by Armor All & others. I don't think anyone's getting rich on the WoO circuit either unless you are a big name. Maybe 5 guys.

1/30/09, 9:01 PM	#26 Re: Should I Be Surprised By This? - What Does This Say About Our Racing?
riskybrisky5 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 284	aceace you are right car owners go broke in both series. They have to have big pockets or big sponsors to follow any circuit. The smaller the organization the less the money most teams spend. Local racers usually spend the least. But from a drivers standpoint 40% of an outlaw driver compared to a non wing racer does not even come close. That was all I was saying is drivers can not make a living in non wing sprint cars. Aceace so have you been playing any cards? Dave you are right wings are faster but non wing is side by side slicing and dicing. To me non wing racing blows the wing deal away. But do not get me wrong I love them both.

1/30/09, 9:10 PM	#27 Re: Should I Be Surprised By This? - What Does This Say About Our Racing?
DW Blair Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 20	I love them both. Grew up when it was all non-wing then the area I was in changed to winged. No biggie to me. And speaking of Bill Rose, yes, he did go to the All Stars due to the money available. I also asked him then if the winged cars were so much easier to drive as all the non-wing fans say they are. He rolled his eyes and laughed. Then he said that if you think driving it in 30 mph faster makes it easier, you are very mistaken. He says that they are two different things. Each requires a totally different way of driving them.

1/30/09, 9:32 PM	#28 Re: Should I Be Surprised By This? - What Does This Say About Our Racing?
Motormasher Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 980	I seen you do your best driving with a wing Kevin.

1/31/09, 1:17 AM	#29 Re: Should I Be Surprised By This? - What Does This Say About Our Racing?
DonMoore10 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,474	It's an insult for owners and drivers buying pit passes and paying entry fees to entertain the fans. Does the water truck guy or the race officials in the pits buy a pit pass?