MMSA and AMSA are upright minisprint sanctions, we primarily use modern late model 1000'cc engines. Usually with a protected chain drive line. The other series MTQRL and the other are TQ midgets. They use smaller cc engines and use a drive line. Both are step up from karts if your wanting to go in the direction of sprint cars.

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MTQRL and UMRA are 3/4 midgets or TQ's. They have be around for 60 years or so. They are powered by mostly by de-transed motorcycle engines. They are racing purist, they believe that a true race car must be shaft driven to a quick change rear end. They didn't feel this way until the 1970,s. They are mini-midgets and require mostly special TQ components.

AMSA and MMSA are mini sprints. They are in the middle of an an identity crisis. They began back in the 1980,s when somebody took an old midget frame and installed a motorcycle engine with the trans and used chain drive to the rear axil. They also installed a wing because they were world of outlaw wanabe's. I can still remember the 4 wide parade laps. As mini sprints grew a bunch of new people decided that "mini" was too mini and did not match the ability of these cars. A guy up in Canada said he thought Lightning Sprint was better, so now we have minisprint-lightning sprint deals some groups even use the two terms together.

Mini sprints are still midget frame with late model motorcycle engins in them. Several groups have decided to make the drive optional either chain or Quick change. Mini sprints can be 600cc, 750cc, 1000cc, or 1200cc. In the last 6 years or so most have gone to the 1000cc size.
You simply buy a late modlel motorcycle engine and bolt it in and you are ready to go. Much cheeper than doing all the work required for a TQ motor. There are some Mini sprints out there for rent to see if that is really what floats your boat befor you invest.

I would be glad to talk to you any time about mini-sprints or as I prefer (1000cc midgets) My day phone is 502-778-6833 ask for Dad.

Honest Dad himself

MMSA is a spin off of AMSA.The rules are very much the same except AMSA motors are not sealed and top 3 in every race are tech every race.Weights are about the same this year and you don't pay a extra fee to race with AMSA.After you pay a guest entry for 4 weeks you are automatic a member and points start counting.Payoff is the same member or not. If you can Print off the rules and compare to see both to see what fits your progam.Jerry Tague would be glad to answer any questions you have and has been associated with mini's since the 80's .

Count on Harriet to bring matches to a fire... Once again are you associated with either series ? Go play bingo.
Spin off would be a cheap copy, the MMSA was the 1st to establish and standardize 1000cc engine. 1st to have stock bore and stoke rules. The things that make racing affordable is what the MMSA is working to preserve. The AMSA has followed. However they are both reputable series with plenty of room to grow...
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I'm happy to see the schedule, plenty of opportunities for racers to cross series.

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AMSA has been around for a long time. The MMSA was just started up about 4 or 5 years ago. They have copyed about everything that the AMSA has. But AMSA DON'T SEAL MOTORS which don't do any good any way. the seals are broken more often then not. they are stock bore and stoke. and checked after the race. Yes they are reputable series, you don't see any the AMSA MEMBERS run down MMSA association. Don't know why you all can't get along. Bad mouthing don't make your group look good. just bad in some peoples eyes. Mr. May should put a stop to it but, guess he is enjoying it all, hoping his assication will win out. but don't think it will. let each group run where ever they want. And each keep out of the others business. But I guess that is hard for some of you, just have to keep the pot stired up . o.k. Dad, and the Bradleys let hear your 2 cent worth.

Hmmm Harriet and Harry.. Well no negativity was going on untill Harriet came to the party. The series are night and day different. Jerry is doing the right thing to rebuild the AMSA. The AMSA used to be the biggest show around. He has changed personal and expanded his schedule, and is adopting rules that work. Before the AMSA was on it's way to being instinct with High dollar motors, and open rules. It's getting better. I'll give credit where it is due. But this nagging between the two has to stop. Bill May has done everything right so far, and this spin off has done nothing but increase car count and competiion. I say keep up the good work Bill, and Jerry. 2012 looks pretty exciting.

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May I ask what I said that would start a fire? They wanted to know what the difference between AMSA and MMSA.MMSA was started so they could run their own rules and then copied AMSA rules almost word for word. I would call that a spin off,tell me a different word.I said check the rules and pick was you like.I did say they could contact Jerry just like Bill May and Dad was mentioned .You have no idea what I do and what my business is so put your forked tongue away and pack away your knives. If anyone stirs up trouble it's you and your cronies.Most of the AMSA and MMSA members are great people and just want to race and have a good time.

Well nick I apologize. I realize that the your question hasn't been answered.. This has been going on for a long time. Please don't judge either series on these past few comments. The AMSA and MMSA are basically the same cars. You can run either with a 1000cc stock engine, and be competitive. Many guys race both series, and we should see alot of that in 2012. I used to have pretty harsh feelings for the AMSA but after talking to some of there management last year I have reconciled many of our differences. These series can work together. The older female that keeps pouncing on these responses is no longer associated with the AMSA series. If youd like to know more I can answer your questions via email or Phone. Both series have great racers and a good following. I hope you'll join us on the track, in both series.
-Andy Bradley

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Waynesfield schedule is on their website. Glad to see both series at the track this year and minis are the support class for the all star speedweek show
Nick daugherty

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Well this older woman answered your question about the difference.It is there in black and white I just gave you another name to check out.They also don't have any idea who I'm associated with when it comes to mini's and what I'm doing besides bingo.AMSA has never been about to fold.I can be nasty also.The only reason MMSA was formed is because a few didn't want to follow the rules so 1 man with 6 or more of his cars started their own club and done nothing but spread rumors about AMSA.Big money motors what a joke ,I owned 3 mini sprints ,they were legal and probaley the heavest cars on the track. Sealed motors are a joke they were laughed about all summer about how they were unsealed and worked on. Sorry about the raving but I get tried of everything I say being singled out as a lie.