Honestly to me CCR, It actually showed me your talent, You kept moving forward, Got third I think but were gaining on the leader. Lindsay did the same. The big reason the winged doesn't do it for me is its all keep it wound, The slightest bobble or lift will cost you seconds, not tenths. Feeling the car and how its reacting to the track you kept going forward! Also the cars are not stuck like glue to the surface. Certainly it takes talent to win with the wing but it also takes THE BIGGEST BUILT MOTOR you can buy and that motor won't last half as long with that lid.

I didn't jump in to hijack the thread, just respond to you, You seemed to be enjoying it and I enjoyed seeing you run as with the other 17 midget class participants.

Back on topic. I've only seen one demanding their start money, I have yet to see a promotor anywhere pay any feature money without a lap being run. Theres some who'll give you a rain check or your pit pass back. IMHO if the fence stayed up, All would have been happy. At least from a fans perspective, I would have been.

Regarding the tires. The tires that would be acceptable for the AMCT series were announced many, many weeks ago. In fact, I think it was actually months ago. Everyone, including myself, had the opportunity to buy either tire way in advance. So, everyone had the same opportunity to race with either tire. There were a few that apparently were frustrated at the track about the choice of tires. If you waited till race day to voice your concerns you were several months too late. That's the bottomline with the tires. Observation: Shane Cottle was running a Hoosier SP4 and he seemed to be getting around the track just fine with the supposed harder Hoosier. I think John Gurley's aim is too try to keep the costs of tires to a minimum and the American Racer is the cheaper tire. Is the purple tire company willing to reduce the costs of their tire? IDK, I haven't seen it happen in the 8 years I've been in this business. I just purchased $2000 worth of purple tires for various race org meets and I wasn't offered any discount.

We are seeing some dramatic issues being played out here, IOW. This series is opening some very interesting scenarios that haven't been challenged in a long, long time and the AMCT concept is dispelling a lot of theories that have been circulating for years and years. "You can't do this" and "this won't work"... "never happen". This is going to get very interesting.

I've only been in this situation once, a few years back with a winged organization. After the B-feature the bottom fell out. The race track rain policy which, I believe, mirrored most tracks in the area and was posted at both the grandstands and the pit window, stated that if half of the scheduled races (including heat races) had been run, the program was considered complete. No rain checks would be honored. Since there was no make-up date available for this track, and since he'd already gotten his money from the fans, the promoter added up the purse and distributed it evenly among the A-feature qualifiers, stating that all qualifiers had the same opportunity to win that race. The points were also evenly distributed.

I don't know if this situation is the same as something happening to the track to make it un-raceable (sp?), but it appeared to be the most fair thing to do both from the racers' and promoter's standpoint. He did, however, have a full grandstand and a stake in whether this sanctioning body would return in the future. This might not apply in the future between ASCT and North Vernon, at least not at this time.

Tim Simmons

I believe the pit pass fees and the front gate money were controlled by the Fleetwoods.................... ummmm........ ummmmm.... you can fill in the conclusion... um.... ummmm

you put your neck out on the line to get something going, then people look for any oporitunity they can just to bash u in the ground.

Jerry ! Jerry ! Jerry ! Kinda reminds me of the Springer show..................DRAMA

"There are many holes in your side but it is YOUR side and you are entitled to it. I would like to ask a question tho, wouldn't you have rather been part of a well run race at a great track that has a fantastic promoter and at the same time tried to rebuild some midget history? You could have done that at TSS...."
This was from the second post in the thread...so I wasn't completly off topic, I was just trying to address something that I never really understood. My post was supposed to be more of a question than a statement. Thanks Don for shedding a little light on this.

Don you can't reason with alot of people on here. These guys are rich and they throw away all those stagger tires and start over fresh every show. They can't possibly be any good any place else, Hell they have north vernon dirt on them , and if you choose to not use your ASCT tire at the next ASCT show, that is of no ones
elses fault but yours. Almost all tracks have gone to a spec. tire and you have to have stagger there also. Almost all if not all series have a spec. tire , heck the outlaws have changed their tire rule so many times I'm starting to think its ran by opposit sex, not bashing you wonderful women.I'll ay it again that was cheap for a RR tire buy a DT3 it used to be a cheap 148 to 155 RR until they speced it every where and started giving tracks money to use them. John has to pay for them they were not given to him for free. Its and MC3 and you can use it some where else. And if its the only tire you can't use be happy, because those stagger tires can be used almost every where.
Don lets you and I start a tire company and catch fence and cable and fuel company and follow there series around, I'm sure we can make a killin some where, what you think. These guys either throw it away or tear it up. JMO Jeff

mr. moore........ yes the pit gate monies were controlled by the fleetwoods.... the aggreement was....... mr g was to lease the track for 4800.00... the fleetwoods would pay for workers ,ambulance , wreckers, etc.... mr g. would get the gate monies but would pay the purse for all classes...... the purse for the classes not related to mr. g came to 10,600.00... a deposite of 1000.00 ,paid later than agreed,was made thus a balance of 3800.00 due.... at racenight... the fleetwoods collected the money at the gates and told mr.g that his people we welcome to sit with them or take down numbers of wrist bands... the backgate collected 10,100.00...the grandstands had 131 people... mr.g stood to loose about 15,000.00 ... he told the fleetwoods he only had 9,000.00 to lose....... mr. g called the fence getting tore down a blessing..... now the local classes were scheduled to run a double feature the next week thus the purse had to be covered and the drivers paid... happens all the time.... the fleetwoods kept the back gate monies of 10,100.00 to cover that purse per their aggreement.,still short 500.00...the front gate pit passes are going to be honored at the next race,i believe...... fleetwoods still not collected their 3800.00 ..... now if mr. g would have collected that money would he have been there at the next race to pay the purses promised to the local classes? that is what i have been told and my take of the situation........ i am no way affiliated with the fleetwoods, twin cities, or any other race track other than helping to sponsor when i can...... don short

Good post Don . I don't always agree with you but in this case your point was will stated. One there were enough cars for a race . They were not all the same but they were competive . Finally there was money to help with expenses. Theses rules are similar to OMMS . We have a right rear of 35 or more and you must use the same right rear all night. Check out our schedule , I am going to look at yours even if it is a long pull . Sounds like fun , ROCK ON .