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Okie Greg (Offline)
  #21 1/14/08 1:22 PM
Tuesday during practice the officials waved us off the track because our driver forgot to grab his gloves. We knew it was for the saftey of our driver and it was THE RULES! This would have devistated the Chili Bowl and the racing community if KO would have been hurt or killed. A poor judgment on KO and Chili Bowl officials part to allow this. Thank god we are just venting and not mourning.
E.P. (Offline)
  #22 1/14/08 1:56 PM
OK I lied I am going to post another thought...

After reading OSSUKS comment it reminded me of a t-shirt in the pits sometime during the week that I read and laughed at. It said..."It's only funny until someone gets hurt. Then it's hillarious." Apply that train of thought to KO running without any fire retardant material and the worst case scenario happens. Would it be hillarious then?

As for Sandy mentioning the helmet, my thought's so far were mainly focused towards the drivers suit and not the open faced helmet. I wouldn't advise racing with it but it least it is a level of protection for his noggin which is far more than he had for his upper body.

Racinfool, yes hypocrites. Had what I said happened there would be a long line of members getting on here sending KO well wishes for a quick and speedy recovery (and rightfully so) followed by their opinions of how stupid it was for him to compete the way he did.

But it didn't happen :applaud: so it's all fun and games and another funny thing in a long list of funny things KO has done in his career.

Eric B. Pethtel
RichC (Offline)
  #23 1/14/08 2:03 PM
KO made a conscious choice to wear what he did. JJ offered to bring out a "throw back" VW powered car for him next year and KO said to put a single hoop on it and he'd drive it.

He was making a statement in his own goofy way. Personally I wouldn't allow my driver to race dressed like that but I think the man has accomplished enough for long enough to earn the right to make his own choices. I applaud him for having the balls to do it.
RacinFool (Offline)
  #24 1/14/08 2:45 PM
..............Well with that said. How about those Giants!!!:thumb:
Sandy Lowe (Offline)
  #25 1/14/08 3:25 PM
Here's the newspaper story on the modified driver killed last fall:

'Ryan died doing what he loved'
Driver's father says track officials 'did everything they could'
By Doug Myers
Reporter-News Staff Writer
Abilene Reporter News
Tuesday, October 23, 2007

[I]The images continue to haunt Terry Bard.

He can't sleep.

All he can think of is his son pinned, unable to escape, as flames engulfed his race car Sunday at the Abilene Speedway.

"It wasn't a small fire. It was an inferno," he said Tuesday, recalling the fiery crash that ultimately claimed his 23-year-old son's life while his family watched.

Ryan Bard's death was the first fatal crash at the Speedway that the track's owner and another driving enthusiast could recall. And while the death has race fans wondering what more could have been done to save Ryan, Terry Bard said he was pleased with the race track's efforts to help.

"Ryan died doing what he loved," he said. "That's a class act out there (at the Abilene Speedway). Whenever something like that happens, there's a lot of finger pointing. I don't want any finger pointing. They did everything they could. It shouldn't even be an issue. The people who are finger pointing are the people who weren't there.

"I was down in the middle of it," he said. "I know what was going on."

Ryan Bard, of Farmington, N.M., was participating in the Southern Challenge, the final weekend of racing in 2007 at the Abilene Speedway on the city's west side. A 2001 high school graduate and baseball pitcher in Aztec, N.M., Ryan had been extremely successful in racing over the past two years, winning four main events in four states in less than a year. He also planned to marry Caley Lapaire, 20, in May.

But on Sunday, something went wrong while Ryan was driving in a four-mile long race on the dirt oval.

Track owner Rob Poor said Bard's car had 22 gallons of fuel on board. When it flipped and landed on its hood, the gas cap came off, causing fuel to spill onto the driver. Even though the race was short, Bard had many more gallons in the tank than needed to finish the race in an effort to weigh down the car and stop it from slipping on the dirt track.

It's not uncommon for drivers to use extra gasoline to stop their cars from sliding, but Poor said he wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some discussion about limiting the amount fuel allowed on such vehicles.

"I'm not saying they're not going to do it," Poor said, referring to the International Motor Contest Association (IMCA), which governs such races.

Repeated efforts to reach IMCA officials for comment Tuesday were unsuccessful.

Terry Bard, 47, said about a dozen people in son's family from Oklahoma and New Mexico gathered at the race track Sunday as part of a "family reunion" and witnessed the fatal crash.

"He encouraged them to come because he knew he was good," Terry Bard said.

What they saw after the crash was "a ball of fire," he said.

Bard vividly remembers reaching inside his son's flipped race car, severely burning his hand and scorching his shoelaces, after the stuck driver successfully unhooked his safety belt and pulled back the driver-side netting.

As soon the car flipped over, the race track's flagman grabbed the fire extinguisher and ran over to it.

"The flagman stood there as long as he could hold the extinguisher," Terry Bard said. "Some safety crew got burned trying to get him out."

Poor said the fire would die down, and then it would come back when another gulp of fuel would spill on the driver.

Ultimately, Bard was unable to break free from the fire. He died Monday morning at Parkland Hospital in Dallas.

And Terry Bard had lost his only child.

Poor said precautions are taken before each race. Fire equipment and personnel are also placed at the track. Crews check the drivers' cars and gear, to reduce the threat of serious injuries.

Poor said all the cars that raced on Sunday were appropriately checked.

"We have really good safety procedures," he said.

He noted that no driver, before Sunday, had been killed since he began racing at the track in 1981.

The track followed the same safety routines that all the race tracks go through, Terry Bard said.

"All of that was done," he said, noting that his son had the "best safety equipment. "It was just a tragic, tragic accident," he said.

"Everything just lined up wrong for the boy," said Poor, the track's owner since 2001.

The co-owner of A-City Speed, a Woodard Street business that sells car racing safety outfits and gear, said he believes all the safety precautions were taken Sunday and that Ryan Bard's death was just a freak accident.

"We've been doing it (racing) since the '70s, and I've never seen anything like that," Donnie Underwood said.

Underwood said that Ryan Bard, as Bard's father also noted, was wearing top-of-the-line gear. No additional equipment would have likely saved him, he said.

Kate Llewellyn, also a co-owner of A-City Speed, said the governing body for such races -- the IMCA -- has certain requirements that racers must meet, including wearing fire retardant suits, neck braces and gloves, and approved helmets and seat belts.

A-City Speed has received requests for in-car fire "suppressants" since Bard's crash. The fire suppressant is placed in cars behind the driver's head and produces foam on impact or when temperatures inside the vehicle reach a high level.

It remained unclear whether Tuesday whether Bard's car was equipped with a fire suppressant.

In the wake of the crash, Underwood said he plans to install one in his racing car.

For now, Terry Bard remembers the way his son raced and lived his life.

"He (Ryan) always raced everybody clean," he said. "You never found a racer who didn't like Ryan."

His son would race until midnight or 1 a.m. and then show up the next day, with this fianc
Racer12 (Offline)
  #26 1/14/08 4:49 PM
Ok, the guy in the modified was in a car that raced on gasoline more than likely. And it also had no fuel bladder in the tank either. Now people in open wheel racing learned this lesson back in 1964 after the Sachs/Mcdonald tragedy. So comparing what happened in the modified and what could have happened to K.O. is like apples to oranges. Anyways if you know much about K.O. this all would not be a suprise. Lighten up people! And I would like to know how many layers of fire protection the guy in the mod had and to what extent the track went to offer properly trained and prepared fire rescue as well.


Bob Shutt
thebus79h (Offline)
  #27 1/14/08 5:14 PM
Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan:
exactly. there is NO excuse for not wearing the best available safety gear! I cringe when I see people using bloody neck braces. Everybody in every class should be using the HANS/Leatt devices or equivalents. so to me, not wearing a full face helmet when you have explosions occuring in front of you is beyond stupid, it reaches the levels of idiocy.

And before someone starts preaching that it was like that in the good old days, frankly I don't give a monkey's bum about it. In their days, as safety was further understood, safety equipment became mandated. Hence the introduction of seatbelts, rollbars, helmets, racesuits etc. Same now. To go out in an open faced helmet and hanky is bordering on what I would deem as negligent.
With all this new safety equipment, I've seen just as many broken necks now than I have before the Hans. I'm not in favor of the Hans, and I wear a standard neck collar. It gives me more protection for these kinds of cars than what a Hans does, and the full containment seats, no way, you can keep them. Seats that are made to "give" are going to make you feel better after a crash. I've seen those full containment seats actually break cars in a crash becasue they are so rigid.

When my dad's first sprint car driver started driving for him, he had a full containment seat, Hans, 300 layers of nomex, and the whole nine yards. The driver he has now, Suit, Shoes, Helmet, Gloves, and a standard seat. It's all in what you are comfortable with. Me personally, I don't like the Hans, but I do wear a 3 layer nomex suit, with two more layers of underwear, and I feel it keeps me safe.

It is in good fun, and I think its cool. I think some of us were brought up in the wrong age. I would have no problems at al hopping into a champ car back in the day with no rollcage. I think there was a quote from a while back from Jack Hewitt at an AllStar race in Florida, something about we should take the wings off, and Emick said something to the effect of it's a safety thing, and should we just take the rollcages off too and say screw safety as long as the racing is good? Nobody would run like that! When Hewitt replied, he said him & Haudenschild would, and I saw the picture somewhere of Haud holding a hacksaw to his car.

The whole deal boils down to you use what you find to be safe for you. If you want to wear an open faced helmet and a T-Shirt and feel safe doing it, more power to you, but you can't mandate something that I don't believe in.
OpenwheelRob (Offline)
  #28 1/14/08 5:19 PM
That is horrible what happened to Ryan Bard, I do wonder though how they can say they had the best safety equip. and yet they had no fire bottle in the car? I thought that was a rule not sure about IMCA but I'm pretty sure it is in UMP and AMRA I know we always had one and wouldn't run without. I don't know if it would have mattered or not sometimes "freak" things happen.

As for K.O.? I would think he's lucky nothing found it's way in and smacked him in the face, dirt clod, rocks, parts etc....Tony Stewart in Ft. Wayne was lucky too IMO.
Sandy Lowe (Offline)
  #29 1/14/08 7:41 PM
I'd like to ask Mark Wilson (WBR) what he thought would have happened to his son in Fort Wayne if he was wearing a t-shirt instead of a fireproof racing uniform?

Nomex has been around for over 40 years. There is a reason why most places mandate its use or an equivalent.

Anything can happen no matter how prepared you are in what types of safety equipment you wear. But in this day and age when you, or other people, know better you are stupid if you don't take at least the minimum amount of safety precautions.

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Sorry to get so worked up on this topic but as a little kid I used to watch Emergency (I have no idea why my parents let me) and fire scares me to death.
Hawker (Offline)
  #30 1/14/08 8:03 PM
My God people, you all need to step back and take a deep breath...

There were over a hundred drivers that I counted this year without safety items such as neck collars, arm restraints, head restraints and even nomex hoods. Hell, Stewart didn't have arm restraints when he brok his shoulder year before last...

As far as a fatality or severe injury ending the Chili Bowl, that's total BS too. There was a ATV racer killed at the Shootout after wrecking and being thrown into the wall 3 years ago and that event is bigger than ever. Do we need to mandate seatbelts for ATV's?

I thought that KO running old school was great. Something you folks also fail to remember too is that the track was $hit. It was so hard and dry that I could have outrun the cars on foot...
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