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robert gatten (Offline)
  #21 6/15/09 9:00 PM
as a racer that runs Da Burg i think its the best and the equipment and drivers there are some of the best you will find anywhere. Now if we could just have a night where the engine runs,the mag box works and the fuel pump flows we could enjoy the place even more. I'm begining to think theres a trole living at the pit gate.
smith19 (Offline)
  #22 6/15/09 9:01 PM
don, i understand your point about the tires. i think one thing dave is trying to do is getting the cars off the bottom and running up high on the track. the high side makes it very exciting for the fans and at this track more passing. again i see your point....
Dave Rudisell (Offline)
  #23 6/15/09 9:02 PM
Originally Posted by bstevens2:
I told myself I would never post on one of these things but this I cant avoid. My name is brad stevens and my father and i own a very low buget sprintcar team as many of you may know. For the better part of 9 years we spent racing around the famed lawrenceburg 1/4 mile, in those 9 years we destroyed numerous cars and blew several motors. This kept my seat time to a bare minimum each year of maybe 10 races if we were lucky. The new Lawrenceburg is a little hard on tires and puts a bit more strain on the motors, but the fact that the racing surface is much WIDER than the old 1/4 mile we have been able to avoid those 1/4 mile pile ups. I didnt get to see it first hand because I sort of had my hands full but sounds like jc lj and sh found plenty of room to make it around that narrow 4-5 lane race track. Dave has put far more than his heart and soul in this race track, he has raised the purse for u guys that can afford the motor and tires to win and done just about everything asked of him to make this one of the best tracks in the country. Dave as long as the gates are opened I will be glad to come back week after week trying with what little we have to win a race at the new famed l-burg speedway but till then Im having more fun than ever and learning more every week. With that said maybe we should lay off the L-burg crew and consoul them on the passing of a very close friend and L-burg family member.
Thanks Brad, We appreciate your support, and we enjoy seeing you and your family each week.
Dave
dshort36 (Offline)
  #24 6/15/09 9:05 PM
not bashing the burg crew.... only answering the topic of this post... if owners and drivers arent qualified to express their opinions i ask who is? don short
TeamCGR (Offline)
  #25 6/15/09 9:09 PM
Dave and Kim,

We are sorry we were not there on Saturday to support Lawrenceburg Speedway. Coleman had a chance to run a Midget in the POWRi, which is the only place he can run one until he is USAC eligible, which will be at the end of next month. Lawrenceburg is Coleman's favorite place to race and our favorite Track to attend. Always good racing and fast. It was also the first place to give Coleman his chance to race in Indiana so you have our undying loyalty for as long as we race Sprint Cars. If we are not there on Lawrenceburg Chevrolet Sprint Nights, it is because of other commitments, nothing else; like in 2 weeks when Coleman's older Brother Grant graduates High School back in New York and The Iceman will be there to support him.

We feel you offer a great atmosphere for racing and look forward to our trip to Southeastern Indiana every week. When we are not there, we are thinking about what we are missing. Both of you do a great job at treating your racers like Family and if there is an issue, you take it head on. AND, your Emergency Response Team is the best. They are a great group of people who really care about the drivers they are protecting and make the rounds in the pits to show them a friendly face during a "calm" time so when there is an Emergency on the track, God forbid please, the Drivers see those friendly faces in a difficult time. That means a lot to all of us on this team. Plus having Chaplain Jackie there to offer Prayer is always a pleasure. If there is anything we can do to help, never hesitate to stop by the 14 pit. It is our pleasure to race at LS.

Regards,

Pete Gulick
Dave Rudisell (Offline)
  #26 6/15/09 9:13 PM
Originally Posted by dshort36:
not bashing the burg crew.... only answering the topic of this post... if owners and drivers arent qualified to express their opinions i ask who is? don short
Don, I appreciate your opinions, and suggestions. Believe me i get alot of them. :2:
You can add 50 more feet to the bottom but nobody will run there anyways, last weekend nobody was closer than 15 feet from the tires, except the Mini's in the feature. We could only water the bottom and then they would race there. There are a million variables in the track shap size and on and on, one big issue we face is reaching the top of the track with water, from the bottom. Right now we spray water 70 feet across and up the track from the tires.
If it was fun and easy eveyone would do it.
Thanks, Dave

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Originally Posted by TeamCGR:
Dave and Kim,

We are sorry we were not there on Saturday to support Lawrenceburg Speedway. Coleman had a chance to run a Midget in the POWRi, which is the only place he can run one until he is USAC eligible, which will be at the end of next month. Lawrenceburg is Coleman's favorite place to race and our favorite Track to attend. Always good racing and fast. It was also the first place to give Coleman his chance to race in Indiana so you have our undying loyalty for as long as we race Sprint Cars. If we are not there on Lawrenceburg Chevrolet Sprint Nights, it is because of other commitments, nothing else; like in 2 weeks when Coleman's older Brother Grant graduates High School back in New York and The Iceman will be there to support him.

We feel you offer a great atmosphere for racing and look forward to our trip to Southeastern Indiana every week. When we are not there, we are thinking about what we are missing. Both of you do a great job at treating your racers like Family and if there is an issue, you take it head on. If there is anything we can do to help, never hesitate to stop by the 14 pit. It is our pleasure to race at LS.

Regards,

Pete Gulick
Pete, Thanks, and thanks to all the fans, teams who support us whenever they can. I consider you all family and enjoy seeing you all each week.
Sincerely, Dave
fishnman (Offline)
  #27 6/15/09 9:19 PM
Originally Posted by dshort36:
dave... i have to disagree.. the reason the cushion was so low is not because of only 3 heats of sprints but because you ran the midgets first...we enjoy and support the burg all we can and appreciate your efforts... however would like to see the tires moved down some ,not next to the light poles as there is alot of room, as to make for better and safer racing coming off the turns... don short
Don, I can give you an answer on the cushion being a little low this weekend. Not making any excuses, but with the events of this week, we were a bit shorthanded on prep. And when the clouds moved in, Kinda put a kink in plans. The middle would not run in, and right then Rudy stopped everything he was doing and jumped in the sheepsfoot while I continued to work high and low. And to say the least we were a bit nervous at about a quarter after 5, but she was ran in at 6. We then talked about what we were to do after hot laps and Midget Qual. I, was under the impression sprints were to race first. Rudy and I talked on the radio, and we were going to run in the track before sprints came out, maybe even pound it if time permitted that would make the racing surface a bit wider than it was. Seems we knew what each other was thinking at the time, because we both want the best possible surface and best possible racing. Heck, after running it in and sprints first, we'll get a 3 groove track to the cushion. Then we were told that Midgets were up first. So we definately need to run it in. Was told from the pressbox that " USAC says the track is perfect, no need to do anything." I asked again, my exact words being " If we do anything we need to do it now, because if we are not, I am going to slam about 6 beers real quick!!" ( like I said before it has not been a good week) Rudy, thinking the same thing asked upstairs, "are you sure about that" The call once again from upstairs. " No USAC says the track is perfect for the midgets"

So Like I said, no excuses, if the track was unsatisfactory, blame me.
Charles Nungester (Offline)
  #28 6/15/09 9:21 PM
Originally Posted by Dyno Don:
Does anybody know why there was such a small car count at The 'Burg on Saturday night?

Midget week and only 28 Midgets. Support series of Sprints count of 23 and 19 Mini Sprints.

Bloomington had 38 Midgets and 37 Sprints.

Kokomo had 30 plus Midgets. And I do not know how many cars ran their feature only thing.

Do the race teams have a thing against The 'Burg?

These guys and familys are going through a very tough time with the Loss of Mel. IM going to agree with Don Short though that a ten ft wide race track isn't raceable. Its more like constant qualifying.

Then again I like the track to have a cushion. The only thing Id do different is wheelpack every time the cushion got to tough to tame. Once they packed it after the consis about halfway thru the midget feature the track got awesome. I don't know what the answer is, Leave it dry and packed and cut two groves with the rake

I know for certain its not for lack of effort. They all work tons of hours each week to put that show on. We also had a night with four inches of rain in places last week.

My only wish is they'd keep it wide.

As for Midget count, Powri and Badger both had shows schedualed and I wish USAC and these organizations could get together and work together for everyones benifit. Powri/Usac shootouts Two of them. One week on their turf and one on ours.

Sprints, Paragon, Put, MSCS Terre (Rained out) ILL speedweek. VCS MASS Series. WAY TO MANY TRACKS for one night.

LBurg guy, Luv ya all but I've always been honest. It was way to narrow. Id of gradded or packed it after hotlaps.
That being said, I still haven't had a night I didn't feel I got my moneys worth. Coons working traffic. Levi and Hmeil making their own groove and BCs amazing move to win.

Chuck, knowing you did what you could and it was a tough night and thanking you for it.

Charles Nungester
ThaBurgFan (Offline)
  #29 6/15/09 9:34 PM
I just have one question. I see Dave and Kim are on this thread at the same time. Are you on two different computers or are you two fighting over the computer. lol

The features were great!!!! Would I have liked to have seen better heat races, of course. The fact of the matter is that after finding out that Mel had passed we were lucky to see any racing at all. Mel or Melzy as my son affectionately called him, you will be missed!!!!!
Charles Nungester (Offline)
  #30 6/15/09 9:40 PM
Originally Posted by Danny Burton:
You, sir, read my mind. Bet that didn't take you long. :2:

Mr. Jones and Mr. Hmeil used a lot of the track Saturday night.
Honestly theres several issues here, Early on (Heats) The cushion and upper part was too soft and rought. Buckwalter tried it twice and bobbled. Kuhn in the feature was going forward, Tried it and bobbled himself back to seventh. The Wheel packing definately helped and early on Levi jumped on it and cut his own grove. Hmiel seen it and duplicated.

The car damage and motor thing IMHO is BUNK I've seen three races at Kokomo, Watch two or three blow a night and about five cars hit the wall yet they turn out in droves. I really haven't seen the Burg being a big issue on motors. In fact I see em reving em harder on Bloomington and even the old burg. I've also seen some lower powered cars often have good success.

Two. No hotlaps and individual qualifying. Would have moved the grove some. Instead it was go hotlap and hope you set a good time. (Not burgs fault)

Three, Lack of a heavy car class. No offense but the mods throw rooster tails too. Cut the track and pack it. Also bring a good field of cars. Either that or a lot of wheel packing to keep most of the track raceable would be greatly apreciated.

Four, I always hate to critisize drivers as its not my butt on the line. I kinda feel that drivers aren't learing how to run a cushion (Minis) mainly because they simply can't. Bobble once in em you loose half a lap. I see drivers like Short, Bland and Cottle who came from Mods that can get up there and find speed. Levi Did it not just saturday but at THAT a couple weeks ago, Running 15 ft higher than everyone else. Remember the story of me telling you about Robby Stanley at Union County, Everyone running the bottom except him. By mid feature he was passing two per lap. I think its becoming a lost art.

I don't know if Dry slick is the answer but it certainly is exciting watching cars all over the track and not just the bottom third.

Take care guys, This isn't meant to be a bash on anyone and I certainly hope drivers and teams continue to support LBurg.

Chuck, who thinks the night turned out great after early not so great situations.

---------- Post added at 09:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:40 PM ----------

Originally Posted by robert gatten:
as a racer that runs Da Burg i think its the best and the equipment and drivers there are some of the best you will find anywhere. Now if we could just have a night where the engine runs,the mag box works and the fuel pump flows we could enjoy the place even more. I'm begining to think theres a trole living at the pit gate.
We certainly enjoy seeing you guys there Bugs are pesky ain't they?

---------- Post added at 10:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:40 PM ----------

Originally Posted by fishnman:
Don, I can give you an answer on the cushion being a little low this weekend. Not making any excuses, but with the events of this week, we were a bit shorthanded on prep. And when the clouds moved in, Kinda put a kink in plans. The middle would not run in, and right then Rudy stopped everything he was doing and jumped in the sheepsfoot while I continued to work high and low. And to say the least we were a bit nervous at about a quarter after 5, but she was ran in at 6. We then talked about what we were to do after hot laps and Midget Qual. I, was under the impression sprints were to race first. Rudy and I talked on the radio, and we were going to run in the track before sprints came out, maybe even pound it if time permitted that would make the racing surface a bit wider than it was. Seems we knew what each other was thinking at the time, because we both want the best possible surface and best possible racing. Heck, after running it in and sprints first, we'll get a 3 groove track to the cushion. Then we were told that Midgets were up first. So we definately need to run it in. Was told from the pressbox that " USAC says the track is perfect, no need to do anything." I asked again, my exact words being " If we do anything we need to do it now, because if we are not, I am going to slam about 6 beers real quick!!" ( like I said before it has not been a good week) Rudy, thinking the same thing asked upstairs, "are you sure about that" The call once again from upstairs. " No USAC says the track is perfect for the midgets"

So Like I said, no excuses, if the track was unsatisfactory, blame me.
IM not blaming anyone. You guys are the greatest and don't ever think twice about asking for help if needed free of charge. IM in section H. I helped last year and Rudy was more than generous. I wanted nothing for it and I meant it. Great people deserve great support, You guys learned more from Mel than anything on the track. The hello's the stopping and chatting when your busy as hell, Thats worth more to me than any promotion and I tell people about how great the track and the people and the racers are.

Its like pulling teeth to get people to go down there. Everyone knows theres a casino but I hear "THERES A RACE TRACK THERE?" all the time. The ones I do get to go down always tell me about the great time they had. I had a guy at work tell me he took his son to Brush Creek last week and they enjoyed it. I told him about LBurg and he says he'll try that even though its a 70 mile trek for him. It certalnly isn't due to lack of promotion and effort.

Its the problem with message boards, Everything seems like a B fest and its most of the time its never meant to be that way and the tone you'd never get in person.

Remember Clowns goof up and clowns provide the greatest enjoyment of all.
Keep at it BOZO's and rest assured it is apreciated even when it seems you can do no right.

Charles Nungester
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