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where is the info for purchasing one of these?????????

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Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE Is it a spec motor where only an authorized builder can rebuild it? If it proves reliable,I think that is a great alternative to a series that uses a specified engine size. (358/360) I believe it would be fine to compete with in Indiana, but to mandate it will be hard because of all of the cars and engines running right now. If only a certain company or builder can rework it, I would think the back log would get pretty big in the middle of the season. It's a shame that it isn't a 410 that made 790 plus because then it would possibly be a great alternative to what is running right now. Who knows, maybe it is already the right combination that will prove to be very competitive. If it is,that is great news; but I wouldn't mandate it because the lack of rules is what I feel makes the sprint racing scene as big as it is In Indiana. You can basically run whatever you want in Indiana.

CALL TOMMY HUNT I CA. CHEVY WILL TAKE CARE OF THE ENGINE!:checkered: THERE IS MORE 360CI. THEN 410 IN THE USA! WHY DO YOU THINK YOU NEED A 410 WITH OUT A WING?

[mtek56]

Drivers, setups and noise are what make this sport:applaud::applaud::applaud::applaud:

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Originally Posted by DonRacer The engine rules are different than USAC's at most Indiana tracks?

NO!

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Originally Posted by tailtank the even bigger problem would be to get all the tracks in your area to go with the same set of rules. If this engine was to get a green light then you are going to have some tracks decide not to run them therefore making carowners/drivers and fans make choices, we do not want to make.

you need a sprint car club in ind. For all tracks same rules!

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Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE There are no weight rules either. Same for traction control.(How about digging up that dead horse for a few more whacks)No wheel width rules either. There are guys running 14",15", and 16" LR Wheels(Sometimes a RR on the LR to even up stagger) and there are guys running 16",17",18" and even 20" RR wheels. All of which is fine in my opinion. There are basically no engine rules at the tracks in Indiana. Bloomington either has has a twin cam or a no turbo rule. I don't remember which. There are several different combinations running today. There are 305's,355's, 360's,377's,406's,410's, and 430's. Some steel blocks and some wet sump's. I don't know of anyone that has had their engine pumped after a win. Nor do I believe they should. The only reason there is a tire rule is because Hoosier pays the tracks. When everyone on Hoseheads or in other areas are complaining about the costs of 410 racing, they are talking about the winged cars. I'm not saying that motors are cheap, but there are alot of alternatives because there are no rules. It works itself out. The less rules and restrictions means less division amongst the competitors. Look at the tire rule. I know some people,not many, but some who won't run a track other than an open tire track because they don't want to switch back and forth. Same goes for guys who run DT3 tires only. Before if these guys wanted to do something else they would, but now they might not go if they have to switch from one compound to another. USAC has to have the rules they do because without them the costs would sky rocket even more. Although; you don't have to run a 410 or even an aluminum motor. I think the rules they have don't allow you to have a motor larger than 410 and I believe it has to be a dry sump(Although I doubt they would send you home if it wasn't). The opposite is true for the Indiana scene and the beauty is that there aren't any/many rules to follow and that leads to alot of freedom to compete when and where you would like with basically whatever you would like.

LET ME TELL YOU WHEN TOYOTA COMES IN WITH THERE 410 YOU WILL ALL BE CRYING!:checkered:

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Originally Posted by riskybrisky5 how about tracks replacing one of the support series with a spec engine series. Some could use it for a stepping stone to the 410 class. Or you could just choose this class to have fun and drive a sprint car not costing you as much as the full blown cars. Two sprint car classes at our local tracks would be great to see.

most can't afford 1 class!

[LEADERS EDGE]

The reason there are more flips today is because guys aren't afraid to put a wheel or nerf bar into someone or someone runs overs someone else's wheel. You see very few cars crash today because they biked up.

A spec series doesn't make any sense to me. By having rules then you must have someone to enforce the rules and check all of the cars to make sure they are legal.

So you purchase or lease this motor, but then you run for a lesser purse. On top of that, you will then start pulling the bottom level cars from the regular field. Instead of having 30 cars, now you have 23-28 regular sprints and 15-18 spec sprints. I'm not saying some guys who run a mini or micro won't just step over, but you will lose some regular cars.

Lets say you are leasing the motor. That is $5000 plus and then you buy a used roller that costs $4500-$5000. You are roughly $10,000 in plus you need spares. Spares will run another $1500-$5,000.

You can buy someones complete car and sometimes all of the spares for between $15,000 and $20,000. Is $5,000 really the difference between running a sprint or not? With that money you have your choice of running 6 different tracks in Indiana. If the motor does perform as well as they say, then you can just take that $10,000 car and run the regular tracks anyway and for the same purse.

As far as saving money on the shocks and parts, come on; Kevin Briscoe, Jon Stanbrough, and Dave Darland all kick ass because they are great drivers, not because of the 6 clicks they put in the left front. I'm not saying great shocks don't help, but those guys all won before adjustable shocks. They help, but drivers win races.

The common refrain is:"We need to put the race back in the drivers hands". As long as there is a gas pedal in a sprint car, it will always be in the sole of the drivers foot. Meaning that the guy who can control his car the best on any given night, 9 out of 10 times is the winner.

I have to believe that Indiana is the toughest place anywhere in the country to weekly race a sprint car. With the rules(or lack of)abundance of tracks and availability of cheap second or third hand parts, It also thas to be the most affordable state to race a sprint car.

The fall out from all of this unfortunately also results in extremely low purses. Adding another class at a cheaper purse runs the risk of losing what little foot hold teams have now in terms of purse structure. If a track sees that it can get 20-25 cars and pay 75% of the current purse, the current cars could quickly become expendable and while you have lowered your costs by a few dollars, you have also lowered your purse by 25%.

I could be wrong and none of that would happen, but promotors are always looking for cheaper shows that can make the same buck.

Indiana has been in an extended period of being blessed by great racing. Todays races are very good, but we see so many that great has become routine.

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Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE The reason there are more flips today is because guys aren't afraid to put a wheel or nerf bar into someone or someone runs overs someone else's wheel. You see very few cars crash today because they biked up. A spec series doesn't make any sense to me. By having rules then you must have someone to enforce the rules and check all of the cars to make sure they are legal. So you purchase or lease this motor, but then you run for a lesser purse. On top of that, you will then start pulling the bottom level cars from the regular field. Instead of having 30 cars, now you have 23-28 regular sprints and 15-18 spec sprints. I'm not saying some guys who run a mini or micro won't just step over, but you will lose some regular cars. Lets say you are leasing the motor. That is $5000 plus and then you buy a used roller that costs $4500-$5000. You are roughly $10,000 in plus you need spares. Spares will run another $1500-$5,000. You can buy someones complete car and sometimes all of the spares for between $15,000 and $20,000. Is $5,000 really the difference between running a sprint or not? With that money you have your choice of running 6 different tracks in Indiana. If the motor does perform as well as they say, then you can just take that $10,000 car and run the regular tracks anyway and for the same purse. As far as saving money on the shocks and parts, come on; Kevin Briscoe, Jon Stanbrough, and Dave Darland all kick ass because they are great drivers, not because of the 6 clicks they put in the left front. I'm not saying great shocks don't help, but those guys all won before adjustable shocks. They help, but drivers win races. The common refrain is:"We need to put the race back in the drivers hands". As long as there is a gas pedal in a sprint car, it will always be in the sole of the drivers foot. Meaning that the guy who can control his car the best on any given night, 9 out of 10 times is the winner. I have to believe that Indiana is the toughest place anywhere in the country to weekly race a sprint car. With the rules(or lack of)abundance of tracks and availability of cheap second or third hand parts, It also thas to be the most affordable state to race a sprint car. The fall out from all of this unfortunately also results in extremely low purses. Adding another class at a cheaper purse runs the risk of losing what little foot hold teams have now in terms of purse structure. If a track sees that it can get 20-25 cars and pay 75% of the current purse, the current cars could quickly become expendable and while you have lowered your costs by a few dollars, you have also lowered your purse by 25%. I could be wrong and none of that would happen, but promotors are always looking for cheaper shows that can make the same buck. We have it so good here compared to te other areas where sprints are run, we don't even realize it.

YOU DON'T GET IT! GET RID OF THE 410 HIGH DOLLAR ENGINE THAT YOU RACING FOR $1000 TO $1500 IN IND. AND RACE A ENGINE FOR $5600 A YEAR! NOT TWO CLASS'S ONE COST SAVING CLASS WITH OVER 700 HORSE POWER!:redflag:

[Bill Gardner]

Here's my opinion... the idea about cutting costs in racing is great, but... let's face it... RACING is expensive. You will never change that, no matter what is done.

It is pretty simple really... those that have it($$$)... Will spend it. Those that don't... Will lose the house.