D.O.T and Toterhomes

JstAbvVMC · 9/9/10, 6:46 PM

Your DOT is correct. These are not NEW laws but most states are now following Federal DOT guidelines. That is a good thing if you travel from state to state. Besides safety money is an issue but it is based more on the more use damage is caused to roadways based on vehicle weight. The heavier your are the more wear and tear your vehicle causes. Couple that with drivers having no clue how to operate these big vehicles safety. The sad part is if you investiagted a few of the types of crashes that I have you would feel alittle differant. As someone said it isn't that hard or expensive to comply. A lot cheaper than storage fees I'm sure. I ran afool with New Mexico HP coming home from the Chili Bowl for these same issues about 5 years ago so this isn't new. More states are just following the Feds rules now. Its a pain but it is for the better.
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Bad Dad 54 · 9/9/10, 8:25 PM

Are you sure that isn't your wife's uncle that you are referring too?

REH - Nope this was a fellow I worked w/ it's just Ohio. Mt friends son got a ticket for 2 mph over the limit. My brother in law who was a MI State Trooper only A-O would give ticket for 2 over. Have several freinds & family members who are police, they pretty much said the same thing. I have many friends in OH but it's not my favorite State for obvious reasons.

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Oh one more, what about these hugh motorhomes people are driving & travel trailers that only get taken out once a year. Most can't drive drive let alone haul a trailer? Saw a race car leaving Spartan Speedway last Fri night. Had an open trailer, enclosed metal tool box (steel) & 3 row tire rack being towed by an Astro Van???

red70racer · 9/9/10, 9:39 PM

I google searched this and found this

http://www.usccracing.com/news_2010/...EGULATIONS.pdf

It outlines everything. I'm thinking we have quite a few illegal rigs moving up and down the highway
Jeff Palazzolo

okienonwingfan · 9/10/10, 12:21 AM

I drove a school bus in Oklahoma and all I was required to have was a class B. The school district I was driving for had air brakes on some of their school buses so they required all drivers to get their air brake endoresment.

So am I half way good to go?

Hawker · 9/10/10, 2:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red70racer

I google searched this and found this

http://www.usccracing.com/news_2010/...EGULATIONS.pdf

It outlines everything. I'm thinking we have quite a few illegal rigs moving up and down the highway
Jeff Palazzolo

After reading that, I came to the realization that most teams would be in violation of the Hazmat laws too with the amount of fuel that most team carry along with not having placards on the vehicle.

sc96 · 9/10/10, 8:39 AM

I could be wrong but I think if your under 150 gal you are ok on the haz mat side. But I would guess a dot guy would not go that direction if you were good on everything else. Haz mat is a whole new big can of worms to get licenesed for.
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spankytoo · 9/10/10, 8:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Topless77

So your saying any retired snowbird driving a motorhome with airbrakes is required to have a class A CDL wheather or not they are towing a trailer. What about school busses now since they are only required a Chauffeur's license. If true this will hit the RV industry really hard and they are already hurting. Just curious?

Sorry was asking wildthing but forgot to hit quote

The Class "B" pr chauffer's license still has to have the air brake indorsement if they are driving with air brakes.

sprntr · 9/10/10, 9:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sc96

I could be wrong but I think if your under 150 gal you are ok on the haz mat side. But I would guess a dot guy would not go that direction if you were good on everything else. Haz mat is a whole new big can of worms to get licenesed for.
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It also must be in Dot or OSHA Approved containers of less than 8 gallon capacity each & less than 440 pounds aggregate gross weight.

None of the common fuel jugs that race team use are approved containers.

9/10/10, 9:18 AM

I used to be a Master Mechanic for the Los Angeles Transit System. One of my jobs was terminal inspections. This included vehicle maintenance, maintenance records and driver records. As a racer for 29 years this is what I have learned. Anything that makes money has to have a commercial license plate, (Toters must be regestered as a commercial vehicle) this includes a car such as a taxi. Any one vehicle or combination of vehicles that makes money and is over 10001 lbs has to have a DOT number. Anything over 26001 lbs. has to have a CDL of some type depending on the vehicle. There are two types of DOT number classifications. One is Interstate and the other is Intrastate. The Interstate classification means that you have to have a terminal inspection every two years done by the Highway Patrol or State Troopers. This includes all inspection and maintenance records on the vehicles and documents including random urine tests and copies of their physicals for the drivers. Even if you are the only driver / owner of the vehicle. If you register as an Intrastate you still have to keep all of the records (in case of an accident) but you don't get inspected. The problem with Intrastate is your DOT is only good in the state you register it in. Here is a couple of tips that I have learned. A Ford F250 or a GM 2500 with a triple axle goose neck is under the 26001 lbs. The diesel version are capable of towing a 15000 lb trailer. The other thing is do not advertise. Do not put any stickers of products or sponsors on the sides of your vehicles. This just gives them a clue as to what is inside. (out of sight = out of mind) Without any clues they might think it is just your weekend off road toys.

Hope this helps.
Dad

Hawker · 9/10/10, 9:38 AM

I showed this thread to someone who races and is very familiar with the FMCSR's. He mentioned something that is very obvious after mentioning it. If you have to get a DOT number, you also have to establish and adhere to a random drug testing program.

9/10/10, 9:18 AM	#29 Re: D.O.T and Toterhomes
Hughes Racing Posts: n/a	I used to be a Master Mechanic for the Los Angeles Transit System. One of my jobs was terminal inspections. This included vehicle maintenance, maintenance records and driver records. As a racer for 29 years this is what I have learned. Anything that makes money has to have a commercial license plate, (Toters must be regestered as a commercial vehicle) this includes a car such as a taxi. Any one vehicle or combination of vehicles that makes money and is over 10001 lbs has to have a DOT number. Anything over 26001 lbs. has to have a CDL of some type depending on the vehicle. There are two types of DOT number classifications. One is Interstate and the other is Intrastate. The Interstate classification means that you have to have a terminal inspection every two years done by the Highway Patrol or State Troopers. This includes all inspection and maintenance records on the vehicles and documents including random urine tests and copies of their physicals for the drivers. Even if you are the only driver / owner of the vehicle. If you register as an Intrastate you still have to keep all of the records (in case of an accident) but you don't get inspected. The problem with Intrastate is your DOT is only good in the state you register it in. Here is a couple of tips that I have learned. A Ford F250 or a GM 2500 with a triple axle goose neck is under the 26001 lbs. The diesel version are capable of towing a 15000 lb trailer. The other thing is do not advertise. Do not put any stickers of products or sponsors on the sides of your vehicles. This just gives them a clue as to what is inside. (out of sight = out of mind) Without any clues they might think it is just your weekend off road toys. Hope this helps. Dad _________________________________________________ Last edited by Hughes Racing; 9/10/10 at 9:31 AM.

9/9/10, 6:46 PM	#21
JstAbvVMC Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 272	Your DOT is correct. These are not NEW laws but most states are now following Federal DOT guidelines. That is a good thing if you travel from state to state. Besides safety money is an issue but it is based more on the more use damage is caused to roadways based on vehicle weight. The heavier your are the more wear and tear your vehicle causes. Couple that with drivers having no clue how to operate these big vehicles safety. The sad part is if you investiagted a few of the types of crashes that I have you would feel alittle differant. As someone said it isn't that hard or expensive to comply. A lot cheaper than storage fees I'm sure. I ran afool with New Mexico HP coming home from the Chili Bowl for these same issues about 5 years ago so this isn't new. More states are just following the Feds rules now. Its a pain but it is for the better. Posted via Mobile Device

9/9/10, 8:25 PM	#22 Re: D.O.T and Toterhomes
Bad Dad 54 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 717	Are you sure that isn't your wife's uncle that you are referring too? REH - Nope this was a fellow I worked w/ it's just Ohio. Mt friends son got a ticket for 2 mph over the limit. My brother in law who was a MI State Trooper only A-O would give ticket for 2 over. Have several freinds & family members who are police, they pretty much said the same thing. I have many friends in OH but it's not my favorite State for obvious reasons. ---------- Post added at 08:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:25 PM ---------- Oh one more, what about these hugh motorhomes people are driving & travel trailers that only get taken out once a year. Most can't drive drive let alone haul a trailer? Saw a race car leaving Spartan Speedway last Fri night. Had an open trailer, enclosed metal tool box (steel) & 3 row tire rack being towed by an Astro Van???

9/10/10, 12:21 AM	#24 Re: D.O.T and Toterhomes
okienonwingfan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 269	I drove a school bus in Oklahoma and all I was required to have was a class B. The school district I was driving for had air brakes on some of their school buses so they required all drivers to get their air brake endoresment. So am I half way good to go?

9/10/10, 8:39 AM	#26
sc96 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 487	I could be wrong but I think if your under 150 gal you are ok on the haz mat side. But I would guess a dot guy would not go that direction if you were good on everything else. Haz mat is a whole new big can of worms to get licenesed for. Posted via Mobile Device

9/10/10, 9:38 AM	#30 Re: D.O.T and Toterhomes
Hawker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 349	I showed this thread to someone who races and is very familiar with the FMCSR's. He mentioned something that is very obvious after mentioning it. If you have to get a DOT number, you also have to establish and adhere to a random drug testing program.