Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan So let me get this straight. The guy is as good as any of the F1 designers. So by your logic a Formula 1 designer, lets say for arguments sake Adrian Newey*, wanted to build a car you'd discourage him because he hasn't built a front engined car. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. *Newey designed the cars that took Nigel Mansell, Alain Prost, Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve, Mika Hakkinen (x2) to Formula 1 World Championships. His cars have also been driven to race wins by David Coulthard, Mark Webber, Sebastian Vettel, Kimi Raikonnen and Juan Pablo Montoya amongst others.

ummmmm, he's not good enough to do an F1 car and has NEVER done an F1 car. AND if you will note the cars he designed were REAR ENGINED and HIGH TECH and used almost 100% by road racers. AGAIN please tell me what knowledge he has of the history of dirt champ cars. And AGAIN remember he comes from a place where they look down on USAC type drivers. And yes NEWEY did all that, ASHMORE did not! And NO ONE places them on EQUAL footing when it comes to race car design otherwise Ashmore would be getting millions of dollars a year instead of having to start his own deal.......

[photoman]

Looks like they will float, maybe they will schedule a race on the Ohio River, with the boats

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Originally Posted by SPRINTCAR If I'm not mistaken these car looks like the lengends cars they race and I think they call them roadsters. Someone had a car out there that looked like this.

These may be what you are thinking of. This one is my Dad's and I love driving it.

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/s...4/100_2172.jpg

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When I first saw the drawings of the new body I thought the same thing. What gets my attention is that there is no reference to USAC on the cars D.O. took pix of or on their web site. http://www.goldcrownchampionship.com/

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i don't have anything negative to say except that its ugly.

[darnall]

my question is where is the rear bumper?

[sprntr]

Originally Posted by sp6967 i don't have anything negative to say except that its ugly.

Glad it races on pavement cause I won't be there to see it!

Unlike few who have posted so far, I've spoken with Bruce Ashmore and can answer some of these questions. But, you'll have to wait until the next issue of the Hawkeye Racing News. You can pick up a copy of it at Kemper Arena. I do have front on shots of the black car but was also extremely interested in the tail, since that was one of the points of biggest displeasure. The slimming effect of the color black can be amazing.

There are just a couple of points I will make now. These cars displayed are redesigned based on imput on the New Gen Silver Crown car. The ones displayed are owned by Ashmore. Kits are available to convert the old cars to the new configuration.

As of this point, this is not the USAC Gold Crown Series. It is the Gold Crown Series that might have a USAC sanction.

Read all about it at Kemper Arena.

Jim Morrison
Editor
Hawkeye Racing News

[Lucky161]

Originally Posted by Blackduce While Mr. Ashmore has many degrees, and a great history in auto racing. At the show today I ask many people if he had ever built or designed a front engine race car? And every one told me no. Is this really true? Maby this is the problem. Another question is, have these been tested on a race track? A steel tube frame at those speeds they wish to run is really old school and unsafe for sure. Lynn

"....unsafe for sure" Why are you sure of that?

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Originally Posted by aceace What's the price of one of these cars? I remember an earlier post saying they were full of carbon fiber. They run a Nascar motor (to help Nascar teams get rid of last years stuff) which I would guess is more than a sprintcar 410 motor. Are we talking 100,000 just for the chassis.

According to Ashmore the price of this car w/o engine is $85K. A poster here that is a builder says he can sell one for $50-90K w/o engine. I don't think this car has any carbon fiber in it. I mentioned CF in another post, but I was saying that it didn't have CF. I was questioning the price/value of the car when I said that.

Originally Posted by Seadog Facts? You are mistaking "facts" for personal opinions. "Interesting" is not a fact, it is an opinion. If you're slotting me into your "obsessed fanatics" category, that seems to be kind of drastic, don't you think? I like them, but my life doesn't revolve it. I don't live or die by these cars. That's OK if you hate these cars. Everyone is entitled to their OPINION. Or with you, everyone is entitled to your opinion. Can you link me to a positive post that you've made? Thanks.

I could, but was always taught that if you wanted something, you do it yourself.

So, because of your mindless rabble here, should I run everything by you first to be sure it meets YOUR satisfaction before I post it?

Facts is Facts. You can't argue them, you can't deny them. THey are what they are. I don't infuse opinions in things I see them for what they are. Like the FACT that I didn't waste money on boondoggle of a car that is causing me to throw more money at it just so I can try to be happy.

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy I could, but was always taught that if you wanted something, you do it yourself. So, because of your mindless rabble here, should I run everything by you first to be sure it meets YOUR satisfaction before I post it? Facts is Facts. You can't argue them, you can't deny them. They are what they are. I don't infuse opinions in things I see them for what they are. Like the FACT that I didn't waste money on boondoggle of a car that is causing me to throw more money at it just so I can try to be happy.

Well at least there are people trying to do positive things in our sport and willing to put out the money and effort to do so. But I guess printing up fliers and plastering them all over windshields in the grocery parking lot and writing up stories nobody ever reads or hears about then plastering BULL SH#%@ all over a message board without enough BALLS to attach who you really are YOU HAVE 000 CREDIABILITY but I guess in your world you are the all knowing YOU DONT KNOW SHI%$ from shoe polish. So either find something possitive to talk about or just shut up start your own HAPPY POST and tell everyone how wonderful you are and how much you do for the sport and then you will be happy.

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Originally Posted by racerdog45 Well I'll throw in my 6 cents here(inflation, use to be 2 cents) and say I didn't like the old/new car and this one look just as bad if not worse. The previous version was unable to provide close racing/passing due to aero reasons. The new car with the new nose/sidepods won't do any better and the nose looks to me like it would provide LIFT instead of downforce. The sidepods are a joke. Sorry but this thing looks more like a rental go cart than a race car. I'm sure wings are to follow. It's been admitted on here that he has NEVER done a front engine car and I doubt he's ever designed a car for primarly oval track racing. And does Mr. Ashmore have a clue as to the history of real champ cars? Has he even BEEN to a dirt champ race, other than the new gen car? All you've done is dress a pig in a different body, a body built by 5-star who build stock car bodies and have never done an open wheel body before........ Congrats, you now have an open wheel version of the C.O.T.

Where do you come up with this crap ???? They ran close all the time and could pass you could draft down the straights and where do you get the idea you are going to get lift are you smoking that ditch weed. What does it matter who builds the bodies at least there made in the USA and not china or Mexico like your rental carts. And who in the world are you to question BRUCE ASHMORES talents in race car design. Let me guess you and DWB get you info from the guy running the rental carts on what will and what wont work.