Some new Lawrenceburg Pics

Charles Nungester · 1/4/08, 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by zeroracer

Yeah know i really hate to do this but i have a question for chuck and cecil, if it was so amazing and the cars were so fast and the racing was so awesome, how come all the drivers hated it? Running wide open nose to tail is for hot laps.

OK now the horse is officailly dead.....

by the way good pics of the track, just wish we all knew what the exact plans were for the track (bank, infield, location to the wall...what wall?, and the pits)

I kinda agree with ya there Broc. Laying down laps is for qualifying and racings side by side. ALL I said way you could get around it very fast and it wasn't rough if you didn't go into rough areas.

Chuck, who knows you like it smooth and a little slick but i'll take the speedy follow the leader over slow huggy pole any day

Hope you have a great 2008

cecil98 · 1/4/08, 6:28 PM

see below.

cecil98 · 1/4/08, 6:32 PM

Broc, a lot of the drivers hated it because it spooked them. Most of todays sprintcar drivers rarely, if ever, see or run on a tacky track like that. Proof is the fact that 12 of them got upside down on a similar track at the opening USAC show in April. Many of them weren't prepared to set up a car for that kind of surface and were simply over hooked. What kept the track in October from being as racy was the fact that they didn't allow the bottom to be run in early enough and that made the track one and a half lanes. The bottom just stayed sloppy all night. If they had run in the bottom with the top, they could've run anywhere and it would of made for more passing. It was just incredible (and a little scary) to see non-wing sprinters going around there that fast!

BrentTFunk · 1/4/08, 8:49 PM

if it was so amazing and the cars were so fast and the racing was so awesome, how come all the drivers hated it?

I will paraphrase Tommy Helfrich from an article in Flat Out. Drivers are by nature not interested in whats best for the fans. The kind of tracks I like as a fan make a lot unhappy. No dust. no rubber on the track, big ol cushion. Maybe even a little rough. Sorry that is what attracted me to the sport as a kid. I had been going to sprint car for 15 years and the first time I saw rubber down on a dirt track was my first Hoosier 100. (daytime 1978)

Charles Nungester · 1/4/08, 9:03 PM

I vividly remember them throwing *Rooster Tails back in the seventies all night long. Often there were holes or ruts and not once did Gaines and most of them B**** about it.

I find it hard to believe but I've talked to two retired drivers from the sprint ranks that state they NEVER got upside down in a sprinter. Of course durring most of their days there was no cage or only bolt ons.

Chuck

zeroracer · 1/4/08, 9:49 PM

I will admit it was interesting to watch... and i dont nessecarily believe that the speed was the issue or being scared, I do understand that the track needed a little help and everyone has an off night even track prep. I think the biggest issue for the driver was the lack of racing room which could be acredited to what cecil said about the one and a half lanes. The biggest problem other than that i think racers have with tracks being like that now a days is the $$$$ it takes to race, and its a lot eaisier to destroy and break equip on a track like that than it is one that is a little slick.

But who cares at least they got to race.... haha

Thanks Chuck hopefully I can get back to rookie form this year... that just sounded wierd to say ha. Plan on running quite a bit more...thanks to some very generous people.

Sandy Lowe · 1/4/08, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cecil98

Proof is the fact that 12 of them got upside down on a similar track at the opening USAC show in April.

I know this is nitpicking but this is the second time you stated this on IOW and it isn't correct. Only 8 drivers flipped:

Beauchamp flipped during practice
Stevens flipped during qualifying
Coons & Swindell flipped during the first heat
Rose flipped during the first heat
Briscoe flipped during the second heat
Robbins flipped during the second heat
Shepherd flipped during the third heat

E.P. · 1/4/08, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Lowe

I know this is nitpicking but this is the second time you stated this on IOW and it isn't correct. Only 8 drivers flipped:

Beauchamp flipped during practice
Stevens flipped during qualifying
Coons & Swindell flipped during the first heat
Rose flipped during the first heat
Briscoe flipped during the second heat
Robbins flipped during the second heat
Shepherd flipped during the third heat

You tell em girlfriend! :rolling:

cecil98 · 1/5/08, 1:36 AM

I know this is nitpicking but this is the second time you stated this on IOW and it isn't correct. Only 8 drivers flipped....sandy

I only went by what Greg Staab told me when I asked him but!!!! You say "ONLY" eight?????!!!!!!!! I've been going to races since 1958 and have never seen "ONLY" eight get upside down. GEEEEEZ, What a boring night!!!!

Chris Nunn · 1/5/08, 5:32 AM

I dont really see why my post got deleted. I was trying to have a sense of humor with the situation.

Now, thats what we call nitpicking.

:headbang::headbang::headbang:

1/4/08, 9:03 PM	#25 Re: Some new Lawrenceburg Pics
Charles Nungester Senior Member Race Count This Year: 6 Race Count Last Year: 14 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22,068	I vividly remember them throwing Rooster Tails back in the seventies all night long. Often there were holes or ruts and not once did Gaines and most of them B*** about it. I find it hard to believe but I've talked to two retired drivers from the sprint ranks that state they NEVER got upside down in a sprinter. Of course durring most of their days there was no cage or only bolt ons. Chuck __________________ Charles Nungester

1/4/08, 6:28 PM	#22 Re: Some new Lawrenceburg Pics
cecil98 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,399	see below.

1/4/08, 6:32 PM	#23 Re: Some new Lawrenceburg Pics
cecil98 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,399	Broc, a lot of the drivers hated it because it spooked them. Most of todays sprintcar drivers rarely, if ever, see or run on a tacky track like that. Proof is the fact that 12 of them got upside down on a similar track at the opening USAC show in April. Many of them weren't prepared to set up a car for that kind of surface and were simply over hooked. What kept the track in October from being as racy was the fact that they didn't allow the bottom to be run in early enough and that made the track one and a half lanes. The bottom just stayed sloppy all night. If they had run in the bottom with the top, they could've run anywhere and it would of made for more passing. It was just incredible (and a little scary) to see non-wing sprinters going around there that fast!

1/4/08, 8:49 PM	#24 Re: Some new Lawrenceburg Pics
BrentTFunk Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 17,562	if it was so amazing and the cars were so fast and the racing was so awesome, how come all the drivers hated it? I will paraphrase Tommy Helfrich from an article in Flat Out. Drivers are by nature not interested in whats best for the fans. The kind of tracks I like as a fan make a lot unhappy. No dust. no rubber on the track, big ol cushion. Maybe even a little rough. Sorry that is what attracted me to the sport as a kid. I had been going to sprint car for 15 years and the first time I saw rubber down on a dirt track was my first Hoosier 100. (daytime 1978)

1/4/08, 9:49 PM	#26 Re: Some new Lawrenceburg Pics
zeroracer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 251	I will admit it was interesting to watch... and i dont nessecarily believe that the speed was the issue or being scared, I do understand that the track needed a little help and everyone has an off night even track prep. I think the biggest issue for the driver was the lack of racing room which could be acredited to what cecil said about the one and a half lanes. The biggest problem other than that i think racers have with tracks being like that now a days is the $$$$ it takes to race, and its a lot eaisier to destroy and break equip on a track like that than it is one that is a little slick. But who cares at least they got to race.... haha Thanks Chuck hopefully I can get back to rookie form this year... that just sounded wierd to say ha. Plan on running quite a bit more...thanks to some very generous people.

1/5/08, 1:36 AM	#29 Re: Some new Lawrenceburg Pics
cecil98 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,399	I know this is nitpicking but this is the second time you stated this on IOW and it isn't correct. Only 8 drivers flipped....sandy I only went by what Greg Staab told me when I asked him but!!!! You say "ONLY" eight?????!!!!!!!! I've been going to races since 1958 and have never seen "ONLY" eight get upside down. GEEEEEZ, What a boring night!!!!

1/5/08, 5:32 AM	#30 Re: Some new Lawrenceburg Pics
Chris Nunn Senior Member Race Count This Year: 20 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,126	I dont really see why my post got deleted. I was trying to have a sense of humor with the situation. Now, thats what we call nitpicking. :headbang::headbang::headbang: