[flagboy55]

Hamby
And some people just want to hate USAC
Touché

[SoIllSprinter]

If we are going all conspiratorial on this incident, what may be WRG’s role in this? They stick their considerable toe in the water of USAC domains of non-wing sprints and midgets. Allegedly tires are doped, but more testing by more than one company and a tire manufacturer finds no doping. Big scandal, supposedly, and a USAC icon decides to pull his brand new sprint car operation out of USAC, but he remains in the midget ranks, because that’s where he makes his money. Pretty convenient to have scruples, but only to a point. Everyone is quick to jump down USAC’s throat on this. Did you stop to think names weren’t named because once they realized the same issue cropped on on four teams USAC didn’t want the old presumed guilty no matter if they are proven innocent crowd? There are several posters right now that would jump on that wagon immediately. The run up to and fall out from all this sounds more fishy to me the more I ponder a new entry to the promotion of non-wings. If you’re going the be a conspiracy bear, might as well be a grizzly.

[Hamby454]

Originally Posted by flagboy55 Hamby And some people just want to hate USAC Touché

I don’t hate usac. But if you’re naive enough to ignore all the inconsistencies here then you’re actively making a choice to allow usac to do and make any decisions they want in regards to the following of the rules. 😂. I mean people here actually believe the same sample was test at all labs. It took a month for usac to make their first announcement. Roughly the same amount of time as the xtreme series. That involved something like 4 test at one lab. Now people believe when usac says they had 3 completely new test done at 3 different labs on the same samples. So samples had to be transported from one lab to another. I won’t even get into the logistics of that part. More so just that fact that it took 4 weeks for any word at all. Yet once “further testing” was needed magically one sample made it through 3 labs, results returned, and a 3rd party tire specialist was able to review the data and confirm the tire did indeed meet the benchmark. Suddenly. In the matter of 7-10 days. Yeah, call me a usac hater if you choose. It’s not accurate. However if you want to believe everything they say and not look at any of the red flags that’s your choice. We all have that right.

[sw1911]

It seems like it would be in USAC's best interest to lay out all the facts into the scrutiny of the light of day. This boiling cauldron is not doing anybody any good. Like live on YouTube. Not in sanitized press releases.

[flagboy55]

Hamby
I’m not calling you a hater. My statement was in response to your statement in a previous post that you said “some people just want to love USAC “ You can put me in that category. You can also put some in the USAC hate category. Either way all I care about is the truth. If my favorite racing club is lying and cheating, I would like to know and I will decide what to do about it from that point as far as my fandom is concerned. Right now lots of folks are saying guilty without sighting exact proof. USAC has invited owners to come see their argument. Let’s see what they say. I will say one thing I would like to see is a Flo racing camera there to record their presentation of their evidence.

[Charles Nungester]

Yup, done said all my concerns of who, what, where, what happened etc.

Now will the answers be enough to convince those ticked off to go forward.

What would do so? Some are convinced they're getting screwed and cant trust em. Others were convinced that if you say I was cheating and I wasn't. We'll leave.

As a fan, We go to these bigger shows to see the top 25-30 Non wingers in the country race and compete to see who''s best that night and overal thru the season

I can tell you from the old WoO/USA and WoO/NST days. Somethings missing when several of the best aren't there. Could still be a outstanding show. But there is still the "What if Steve Kinser were here? But he wasn't"

[Hamby454]

Originally Posted by flagboy55 Hamby I’m not calling you a hater. My statement was in response to your statement in a previous post that you said “some people just want to love USAC “ You can put me in that category. You can also put some in the USAC hate category. Either way all I care about is the truth. If my favorite racing club is lying and cheating, I would like to know and I will decide what to do about it from that point as far as my fandom is concerned. Right now lots of folks are saying guilty without sighting exact proof. USAC has invited owners to come see their argument. Let’s see what they say. I will say one thing I would like to see is a Flo racing camera there to record their presentation of their evidence.

I agree to a lot of this. I just lean towards the side of questioning it over just buying what they are selling is all. Not because I dislike usac but because well before this they was prepping going on. A lot of which was never found. I also know that preppers have evolved. Some of which even claim their stuff can’t be caught. For many years now prep has been undetectable by scent. To think these basically chemist can create something that won’t show up or won’t pass the benchmark time silly. This is literally how kart racing nose dived. Prep was introduced they found it hard to regulate, decided to allow prep and cost sky rocketed. I’d hate to see a similar fate to my favorite form of racing. But this decision is leading down that road. They are flirting in a grey area. For a sanctioning body that can’t happen. As for the meeting most of us will likely never know what will go on during it. People are blowing off the fact that a handful of cars are choosing not to race with usac. In reality how many teams competed in the entire series last year? 10-15? That number is honestly terrifying. Especially considering we lost 2 more full time guys to wings. I want the sport to succeed. No matter how you shake this is a black eye for the style racing I like the most. And it’s being handled even worse. Many series will literally drop the test results, letter head and all. The fact this is such a huge ordeal and that usac is allowing it to continue without dropping actual facts onto the situation(like lab results, what labs, what drivers, how many different samples were used, when were they acquired, how did they suddenly get such quick turn around on the lab results, who was this “tire expert” they used) is just painting an easy avoidable muddy picture that they refuse to answer for.

[Tim]

Folks,

We can gripe and complain about this forever. How about some solutions? Are there things that can be done from a program perspective to deter the desire for doping? Assuming the tire is doped to soften it, can the feature length be increased to the point that a doped tire wouldn't last? The one tire for qualification, heat and feature could also help this, which some organizations have adopted. The durometer rule can be effective assuming whatever durometer is in calibration (meaning it is tested against a test block prior to each use) but it would mean that any durometers used by teams at the shop to confirm the tires' hardness is also in calibration. Seems like some ambiguity here, as well. I believe we're all in agreement, though, that the current testing protocol is suspect to some degree so, is there a way to eliminate the testing necessity altogether?

Tim Simmons

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Originally Posted by b.young It's not over on that front either! I find it very interesting that everyone thinks the other Series has the ability to prove their tests reliable in court. All they have is a test from a already proven wrong lab against a benchmark that never seen a racetrack.

Why don’t you just save us some time and tell us who you dope tires for ?? I know who you are.