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illiNOISE (Offline)
  #11 10/20/12 12:50 PM
Originally Posted by wright59:
I guess some of the people who says the series is already dead didn't attend any of the races or watch any of the races. Their was some excellent racing this year!
The overall sentiment seems to be that Indy Car has lost touch with the American fan. But if the American short track fan loses touch with Indy Car by ignoring the road course races, who then is really at fault for the disengagement?

We need to support the whole series, regardless of how we feel about the road course races. As the saying goes, it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkeness.
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DAD (Offline)
  #12 10/20/12 1:14 PM
Originally Posted by Jerry Shaw:
In the economic conditions that exist, even NASCAR has seen a drop in attendance. So, it's not an easy time to be running a racing series, right now. And even though the racing is FAR superior in Indy Car, NASCAR has two built-in advantages. One, the size of the cars allows sponsor signage to be a lot more visible (winged sprint racing has a similar advantage) and they are smart enough to know that having a series with drivers that their American fan base can identify with makes it a lot more likely that sponsors are going to want to be involved with their series. At least Randy Bernard has shown that he recognizes that fact. And he should have been validated by the roar that went through the crowd on Pole Day any time they were talking about Bryan Clauson. Here's a rookie that was causing more stir than any other driver. Why is that? Because he came up the same way many of the heroes of this place had. Beating the best on dirt tracks and paved tracks in this state and across this country. Similar to the way many of the current NASCAR top dogs did. And that organization has a business model that will survive tough economic times. Indy Car is trying to do so while it's still working it's way out of the failed business model that Tony Hulman George helped create. The "Road to Indy" through USAC given enough time, will prove to be a winning formula. The one that goes through Sao Paulo didn't work then and it's not going to work now.

Jerry


Used to be a saying around race cars "I'd rather be lucky than good", Now the saying is "I'd rather be rich than good", How times have changed.

I bet Brian could hustle on of them big old cars around Indy and make it look easy. I wonder how one of them foreign guys could do it? Or would they even have the testicular fortitude to do it?

Indy racing has turned into a multi million dollar business while silver crown cars have only turned into a million dollar deal. Before the invasion Indy racing was a kinda of do it yourself deal. The top builders would draw out on their garage floor what they thought would be the hot set up buy some tubing and build a race car. Then they followed the Midget and Sprint races to get the best talent out there and put them into their new creation to race at Indy.

There were no ISO-9001 certified race car factories out there in those days. About as close as you got was Frank Kurtis out west or AJ Watson in Indy, and the owner could still go talk with them to get something just a little different built.

With the "Invasion" came Engineers and cookie cutter cars. Back yard builders were put out of business overnight. Since only one or two factories controlled the whole deal they also controlled the cost of racing, and it's been down hill since then.

We lost what made American Open Wheel racing great. We replaced it with million dollar bath tubs where now you can't eves see the drivers head sticking out in the wind. How far away are we from remote control or robotic controlled race cars controlled by people sitting in their den at their palatial estates in Europe?

Honest Dad himself
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illiNOISE (Offline)
  #13 10/20/12 1:41 PM
Originally Posted by DAD:
We lost what made American Open Wheel racing great. We replaced it with million dollar bath tubs where now you can't eves see the drivers head sticking out in the wind.:
In fairness to those carbon fiber "million dollar bathtubs", we would have buried a lot more drivers over the past several years without them. And I'm quite sure Mike Conway is glad his head didn't stick out farther into the wind when he hit the wall with the the top of the car at Indy this year.
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DAD (Offline)
  #14 10/20/12 3:12 PM
Originally Posted by illiNOISE:
In fairness to those carbon fiber "million dollar bathtubs", we would have buried a lot more drivers over the past several years without them. And I'm quite sure Mike Conway is glad his head didn't stick out farther into the wind when he hit the wall with the the top of the car at Indy this year.
Remote control would be much safer yet. No need to endanger a human being when with todays technology we don't have to.

Can you imagine AJ Foyt, Rufus Jones and them other young guys in the Big cars going around there at 150 to 160 mph without even a cage over their head, they were kinda of stupid back in them days but they put on some pretty good races. Best I can remember they showed a little more reserve with one another on the track.

Maybe Tony is the guy that could bring back low tec racing at Indy?

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illiNOISE (Offline)
  #15 10/20/12 3:45 PM
Originally Posted by DAD:
Can you imagine AJ Foyt, Rufus Jones and them other young guys in the Big cars going around there at 150 to 160 mph without even a cage over their head, they were kinda of stupid back in them days but they put on some pretty good races.
This reminds me of the suggestion that we could reduce football concussions by going back to leather helmets. Why the heck would we want to go BACKWARDS in regards to safety?
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DAD (Offline)
  #16 10/20/12 3:51 PM
Originally Posted by illiNOISE:
This reminds me of the suggestion that we could reduce football concussions by going back to leather helmets. Why the heck would we want to go BACKWARDS in regards to safety?
Remote control is safer!!!!
Racing would no longer be considered a dangerous sport.

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PatrickMead#13 (Offline)
  #17 10/20/12 9:48 PM
I just miss the days growing up watching Thursday night thunder on Espn and the crazy amount of racing going on and wish the ******** and big business wasn't controlling racing. Seeing local drivers in big races made me feel connected to them. It was a reminder that the working class hero had a chance to be big. Seeing BC at Indy was awesome btw! I recently had the opportunity to take a tour with my wife of some old Indy cars from the early years and she asked why there were no cages and why the drivers sat so high in them. I simply replied that it was because they needed room for the big balls to drive them.... Lol seeing a local guy build a car in his garage and going big is legendary.

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DAD (Offline)
  #18 10/29/12 11:13 AM
As The World Turns---Days of our Lives>>>> I see a pattern.

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bigmojo5
  #19 10/29/12 12:37 PM
You all are missing the real problem. It is not the George family, who just want to see an end to the loss of millions of dollars each year. It is that we have jumped back in time to 1992 and the car owners once again are in control.
Bernard wanted to make changes in 2010, and the car owners bucked him. Roger Penske said at Indy last year that the only ovals available for IndyCar were unsafe for today's cars.

In order to end the IndyCar war, Tony George had to reach an accommodation with CART owners. We would still be fighting had not Chip and Roger broken the CART line. But, to finally end the loss of millions of dollars, Tony George had to agree to some of the things that CART owners wanted.

I believe the car owners would love to make IndyCar a global product, but their sponsors are all national. Franchitti said as much during a press conference last year, that the reality is that the teams are supported financially by U.S. sponsors who have no interest in being overseas. Franchitti said there is tremendous interest in IndyCar racing overseas. It does not happen for one reason -- the Indianapolis 500, which has a U.S. fan base.

The car owners still want to be the ones to call the shots.
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DAD (Offline)
  #20 10/29/12 1:04 PM
Originally Posted by bigmojo5:
You all are missing the real problem. It is not the George family, who just want to see an end to the loss of millions of dollars each year. It is that we have jumped back in time to 1992 and the car owners once again are in control.
Bernard wanted to make changes in 2010, and the car owners bucked him. Roger Penske said at Indy last year that the only ovals available for IndyCar were unsafe for today's cars.

In order to end the IndyCar war, Tony George had to reach an accommodation with CART owners. We would still be fighting had not Chip and Roger broken the CART line. But, to finally end the loss of millions of dollars, Tony George had to agree to some of the things that CART owners wanted.

I believe the car owners would love to make IndyCar a global product, but their sponsors are all national. Franchitti said as much during a press conference last year, that the reality is that the teams are supported financially by U.S. sponsors who have no interest in being overseas. Franchitti said there is tremendous interest in IndyCar racing overseas. It does not happen for one reason -- the Indianapolis 500, which has a U.S. fan base.

The car owners still want to be the ones to call the shots.


Why would anybody outside the USA want Indy Car when they have F-1. Indy is a F-1 wanabe, and not a real good one at that. I don't see F-1 cars running in circles.

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