[767]

Call me crazy, but i think gas city would be a good place to start something like this. They get new drivers every year, it is somewhere that you can race and get noticed. Plus (overall) the track stays in pretty good shape year round. Why do the other open wheel classes strugle in Indiana? Kenyons and Focus--most people don't want to watch kids race. I'm not saying they don't have tallent, I just hear this over and over again.

[nonwing]

We have enough classes of cars that feed the 410 guys. Every weekend we compete against ourselves to get people in the seats. I made an argument long ago with Mr.Helmling that we did not need a ford focus series, we already had Kenyon cars, but he was being pushed by ford I would imagine.

The mini sprints are a great place to learn and you can race affordably to some degree. I had a blast last summer driving for Mike Buschmann with the 600 class up at Peru. it was only one time, but I could tell that this was a great class.

Frankly we have diluted the market. If we continue to add different series of open wheel cars, we could put ourselves out of business to some degree. Oh, BTW when these lower cost series die, you as an owner, could end up with a boat anchor.

Let's not forget we compete with other summer entertainment... Locally for me there are special events downtown in Indy, organized baseball, soccer, family gatherings, football in late summer, etc. And, in some cases on a Saturday night, it's easier and cheaper to stay home when NASCAR is running. Yea, I know Yuk, but you gottta admit this $4.00 a gallon for gas is affecting everyone. Hell, I just traded in my 2000 chevy pick up in for a Saturn VUE. Good grief what am I turning into... oh yea, I'm living within our means, while we deal with this economic problem.

I could go on, but hopefully I made my point.

George Wilkins

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by nonwing We have enough classes of cars that feed the 410 guys. Every weekend we compete against ourselves to get people in the seats. I made an argument long ago with Mr.Helmling that we did not need a ford focus series, we already had Kenyon cars, but he was being pushed by ford I would imagine. The mini sprints are a great place to learn and you can race affordably to some degree. I had a blast last summer driving for Mike Buschmann with the 600 class up at Peru. it was only one time, but I could tell that this was a great class. Frankly we have diluted the market. If we continue to add different series of open wheel cars, we could put ourselves out of business to some degree. Oh, BTW when these lower cost series die, you as an owner, could end up with a boat anchor. Let's not forget we compete with other summer entertainment... Locally for me there are special events downtown in Indy, organized baseball, soccer, family gatherings, football in late summer, etc. And, in some cases on a Saturday night, it's easier and cheaper to stay home when NASCAR is running. Yea, I know Yuk, but you gottta admit this $4.00 a gallon for gas is affecting everyone. Hell, I just traded in my 2000 chevy pick up in for a Saturn VUE. Good grief what am I turning into... oh yea, I'm living within our means, while we deal with this economic problem. I could go on, but hopefully I made my point. George Wilkins

Good post. I don't think anybody can disagree with it. I know I can't.

[DonRacer]

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester Just my opinion but the wing would make this much duller than non as cars would not have the power to overtake the additional problem of air or lack there off. I do think it could work non wing, I've seen a couple limited non wing races that were excellent. The limited classes with a wing, I can't say I've seen any that were anything less than follow the leader. Chuck, who'd much rather see a crate class than 305-360-385 which depletes fields and limits the tracks they can run at and actually controls motor cost vs 360's that cost nearly as much as a 410. PS. Id also love to see a open class with no rules other than safety.

Chuck see's the light.

Unlimited Engine-Fuel Non-Wing Sprint Cars would make the rest of the racing world seem tame by comparison.

Ted Johnson wanted to create a national series that was open to anyone who was keen to race, there were few rules, apart from some common sense safety rules. It was themed as “Run What Ya Brung”.

Funny how everybody longs for the "old days" at Indy and reveres(sp) Smokey Yunik's ingenuity, but when you try to encourage a different way of doing things how many powple are against it.....
-Midwest Race Fan

”Jan Opperman cut his hair” Has come into some small cult usage as a phrase meaning nothing is scratched in stone, that everybody is free to switch beliefs.”
-Joe Scalzo

[hoosierdaddy]

http://www.limitedsprints.com/schwanke_motors_page.html

here is a link to what the limited sprints @ sharon are running!

[767]

I agree and I disagree. I agree that we are getting to many open wheel classes, but where can the adverage 7am-3pm worker go race an open wheel car at the same track. The adverage guy can not make the Wed. night shows to run the cheaper focus or kenyon midgets. Plus they do not run at the same place every week. Most fans do not really consider these 2 series when thinking about open wheel because you will only see them a few times during the summer. Ok so lets look at a full size midget. Where are you going to run a full size at weekly? The wed. night series is the closest to haveing a home track, but they still move around. Sprint cars they have several tracks that you can run at weekly. I do not think modifieds are very good feeders either. I think DK is tring to be a feeder series, but there scheduling is really keeping the car count down. Its hard to get out of work at 3pm and make it, its almost impossible if you get out of work any later than 3pm.

[LEADERS EDGE]

Don't we already have open comp racing at every local track? To my knowledge the rules most have are tires and we all know what that is about. Other than that, who says guys aren't already running big motors or light cars or whatever open comp is suppossed to represent. That is why the Indiana scene is so strong right now because of the lack of rules.

The only way that a class like that will work is by having rules(and someone who actually enforces them) and the car has to be race ready for $10,000 or less(Used parts/New motors). The payoff has to be at least $750 to win. The car cannot cost more than the cost of fuel to get there and race and pit passes for the night.(Unless you crash) I would mandate (if they have them left) the Hoosier 85 Silver Crown Tire or the American Racer Equivilent. Steel shocks and thigs like that. If the motor costs more than $5,000 complete,race ready to put in, then it is too much. Do not do steel wheels as there are enough aluminum wheels and parts out there to supply the market.

I agree with George on too much of a good thing. We already have too much.

The only way it works and serves all parties is by making it a racers series and not a series to sell crate motors and spec parts such as tires and fuel. It will have to be a labor of love because the hassle will be more than the money.

[DonRacer]

[QUOTE=LEADERS EDGE;45359]Don't we already have open comp racing at every local track? To my knowledge the rules most have are tires and we all know what that is about. Other than that, who says guys aren't already running big motors or light cars or whatever open comp is suppossed to represent. That is why the Indiana scene is so strong right now because of the lack of rules.


Your saying that some local tracks allow big cid, any head configuration, nitro, "push to pass" nitrous buttons, blowers, turbos etc?

If they don't allow all of the above, its not open comp in my book.

[DonRacer]

I come home in the morning light
My mother says when you gonna live your life right
Oh mother dear we're not the fortunate ones
And girls they want to have fun
Oh girls just want to have fun

The phone rings in the middle of the night
My father yells what you gonna do with your life
Oh daddy dear you know you're still number one
But girls they want to have fun
Oh girls just want to have -

That's all they really want
Some fun
When the working day is done
Girls - they want to have fun
Oh girls just want to have fun

Some boys take a beautiful girl
And hide her away from the rest of the world
I want to be the one to walk in the sun
Oh girls they want to have fun
Oh girls just want to have

That's all they really want
Some fun
When the working day is done
Girls - they want to have fun
Oh girls just want to have fun,
They want to have fun,
They want to have fun....

-Cyndi Lauper

[ThrottleHead]

Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE Don't we already have open comp racing at every local track? To my knowledge the rules most have are tires and we all know what that is about. Other than that, who says guys aren't already running big motors or light cars or whatever open comp is suppossed to represent. That is why the Indiana scene is so strong right now because of the lack of rules.

Huh?? Open comp in Indiana? 410's and DT-3's hardly mandate open comp IMO. The Indiana scene is so strong because of the amount of tracks to run within a 2 to 2 1/2 hour drive time.