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K-Dawg30 (Offline)
  #11 4/19/11 12:23 AM
Not sure Jason...I was thinking the same thing as I was typing that....i think its more but idk if its much more...
Predator (Offline)
  #12 4/19/11 2:45 PM
Don Moore for president is a joke of a statement.... This series is to develop talent before they try and step up to run with the National guys. Don you sound like a bitter old man with your statements. Everytime I read a post on this board from you, you are complaining about how somebody has wronged you. I have seen your car run extremely well in the past maybe if you spent half the time on your racecar as you do on here complaining about everyone who has hosed you perhaps you wouldnt feel so disadvantaged.
DonMoore10 (Offline)
  #13 4/19/11 2:52 PM
Originally Posted by Predator:
This series is to develop talent before they try and step up to run with the National guys.
Please tell us where that is published.
K-Dawg30 (Offline)
  #14 4/19/11 4:00 PM
Originally Posted by Predator:
Don Moore for president is a joke of a statement.... This series is to develop talent before they try and step up to run with the National guys. Don you sound like a bitter old man with your statements. Everytime I read a post on this board from you, you are complaining about how somebody has wronged you. I have seen your car run extremely well in the past maybe if you spent half the time on your racecar as you do on here complaining about everyone who has hosed you perhaps you wouldnt feel so disadvantaged.
It still doesnt take away from the fact that Midget racing is way too expensive. It was mentioned a while back that it is cheaper to run sprints. What's sad is that that is probably a true statement. The engines cost just as much if not more for a 4 cylinder as it costs for an 8 cylinder and they need rebuilt more often. Tell me something is not wrong here?? You would think a regional series would be a little more economical than the national series. Just like local racing is generally cheaper than national racing.

It cracks me up that if ppl have a legit problem with something and voice it they are automatically b*tching about something. What happened to the idea that we the racers are customers and the show for the fans. I think ppl should be able to constructively criticise. JMO
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Predator (Offline)
  #15 4/19/11 5:12 PM
This is word for word from a USAC brochure that is out....
"The Mopar D1 Midget Series is the final stage of the USAC Developmantal Racing ladder. The D1 Midget Series gives the racing competitor the feel of a full powered USAC Midget while competing on smaller sized tracks.
The D1 Series allows drivers the opportunity to hone their skills before challenging the ranks of the USAC Mopar National Midget Series."

Im not against people pointing out issues or opinions, my only issue is, that the issues that "I have seen" pointed out by Mr. Moore are all negative and personally bias. Instead of everyone always throwing whats wrong with everything around why dont we start throwing out some realistic ideas on how to better the sport.
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finishline
  #16 4/19/11 6:04 PM
DM and USAC together, now I'm rolling on the floor laughing!
BrentTFunk (Offline)
  #17 4/19/11 6:24 PM
Originally Posted by finishline:
DM and USAC together, now I'm rolling on the floor laughing!
Kinda wondering who you are finishline? In the past couple of weeks, you have appeared and taken shots at people. The name is the same name that was managing the ASCT and AMCT. Are you one and the same?
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Isaac Chapple Racing (Offline)
  #18 4/19/11 6:28 PM
I know this has been a dirt racing topic, but for a guy who wants to go have fun racing midgets how does this sound?

The 2011 USSA racing season will be the 1st to be run under the USSA Midget Racing Engine Initiative, a plan designed to dramatically reduce the cost of midget racing. USSA new engine rules package will for the first time in midget racing allow a wide range of DOHC stock block engines using electronic engine management. These 340 to 350 horsepower engines also carry a price cap of $22,000 including the electronics. The maximum displacement for the DOHC 4 valve engines is 2.5 liters. Using a weight scale based on the type of engine, USSA officials expect these engines to be competitive with the existing midget engines.

“When building our 2011 schedule we looked at many diferent factors including the economy, the projected price of gas and diesel fuel as well as the schools in central Indiana moving towards a year round school calendar, when we were finalizing the season’s dates” said Don Kenyon USSA’s President. “We want our competitors and fans to be able to
race and come to enjoy our events, not spend their hard earned dollars traveling,” Kenyon elaborated
.

www.kenyonmidgetracing.com


Isaac Chapple
TQ29m (Offline)
  #19 4/19/11 6:50 PM
Originally Posted by Isaac Chapple Racing:
I know this has been a dirt racing topic, but for a guy who wants to go have fun racing midgets how does this sound?

The 2011 USSA racing season will be the 1st to be run under the USSA Midget Racing Engine Initiative, a plan designed to dramatically reduce the cost of midget racing. USSA new engine rules package will for the first time in midget racing allow a wide range of DOHC stock block engines using electronic engine management. These 340 to 350 horsepower engines also carry a price cap of $22,000 including the electronics. The maximum displacement for the DOHC 4 valve engines is 2.5 liters. Using a weight scale based on the type of engine, USSA officials expect these engines to be competitive with the existing midget engines.

“When building our 2011 schedule we looked at many diferent factors including the economy, the projected price of gas and diesel fuel as well as the schools in central Indiana moving towards a year round school calendar, when we were finalizing the season’s dates” said Don Kenyon USSA’s President. “We want our competitors and fans to be able to
race and come to enjoy our events, not spend their hard earned dollars traveling,” Kenyon elaborated
.

www.kenyonmidgetracing.com

I follow this to a degree, there are engines out there in passenger cars, that can be used to bring down the cost of running a midget, however, I think 22k is unrealistic, and how would anyone police this cost cap. I had been toying with the idea of a similar engine, built by the owner, or someone of his choice, but with fewer limits, and a spec cam, as bad as I hate anything "spec", I have a feeling this could lower the engine costs to around 8-10k, which I feel is still out of reach, for most people wanting to run a midget, I really feel like a good engine could be built for under 5k, and with a few other limits, maybe revive the midget division, one of the limits would be purse structure, don't make it so high that it lure's the high dollar teams, and spread the payout over the field, to help those who really support the division, by not piling it all on the top, spread it out, if it weren't for the one's that don't win, there'd be no racing. JMHO! Bob

"Being old, isn't half as much fun, as getting there"! Ole Robert I!
Isaac Chapple Racing (Offline)
  #20 4/20/11 6:25 PM
Originally Posted by TQ29m:
I follow this to a degree, there are engines out there in passenger cars, that can be used to bring down the cost of running a midget, however, I think 22k is unrealistic, and how would anyone police this cost cap. I had been toying with the idea of a similar engine, built by the owner, or someone of his choice, but with fewer limits, and a spec cam, as bad as I hate anything "spec", I have a feeling this could lower the engine costs to around 8-10k, which I feel is still out of reach, for most people wanting to run a midget, I really feel like a good engine could be built for under 5k, and with a few other limits, maybe revive the midget division, one of the limits would be purse structure, don't make it so high that it lure's the high dollar teams, and spread the payout over the field, to help those who really support the division, by not piling it all on the top, spread it out, if it weren't for the one's that don't win, there'd be no racing. JMHO! Bob
WARNING: THIS IS A PAVEMENT REPLY!!
It sure would be nice if everyone could purchase midget engines for 5k. I think tire prices hurt a lot of people. USAC National, USAC D1, and STARS are all on the same tire now, which is a $180 RR. USSA is running a different tire than them, which is a $140 RR tire. Not too big of a price difference, but it's a difference! The so called "National" tire is not going to last any longer than the "Regional" tire that USSA is using in my opinion. I mean, if you want to be fast then your going to need to buy new tires on a nightly basis. Just my opinion though..

Isaac Chapple
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