Non-Wingers To The Top

Bubzilla · 1/1/08, 6:07 PM

Personally, I believe it has more to do with where the weight differences are on the 2 sprinter styles.

In general, non-wingers drive them off the right rear, and with the forces torquing the weight over to the right while at speed in the turns (i.e. about to bicycle at any moment).

Wingers have those barn doors on top driving most of the corner traction onto the left rear and pushing the chassis weight to the left (sometimes even carrying the right front while still in the turn).

petey · 1/1/08, 8:22 PM

I think it has more to do with the fact that USAC has pavement events and that looks more attractive to lucrative racing teams.

Gasman fan 50 · 1/1/08, 10:42 PM

Mike Bliss, was an pavement driver, not very good on the dirt. He did good in the Crown cars.:applaud: There's not very many or (no nonwing sprints) up in the Northwest. Midgets only race on the pavement. They do come down and race on dirt with BCRA.:pissonwings:

Hawker · 1/2/08, 12:13 AM

Carl Edwards ran Silver Crown and IMCA type modifieds...

Bubzilla · 1/2/08, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawker

Carl Edwards ran Silver Crown and IMCA type modifieds...

And he did so on the advice of Kenny Schrader. Carl was having a hard time adapting to tracks larger than the stockers he'd previously run, and Kenny suggested he "go get himself some dirt track experience".

motorhead748 · 1/2/08, 2:21 PM

Plain and simple. Nascar owners/sponsors are looking for a good driver who looks better in front of a camera. Go to most non-wing races and there is a plethora of teenagers who could spend 3-5 years learning cabs and still be in the early 20`s.
If you could garauntee multiple wins but were bald,overwieght with green teeth you could prolly not even buy a pitpass at a nascrap event.Car control has nothing to do with it.
I stood next to Jeff Gordon at Salem in the very early 90`s. He was talking about the speech class he had been to that afternoon. His stepdad was/is a very smart man.

turn4 · 1/3/08, 9:28 AM

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Originally Posted by motorhead748

Plain and simple. Nascar owners/sponsors are looking for a good driver who looks better in front of a camera. Go to most non-wing races and there is a plethora of teenagers who could spend 3-5 years learning cabs and still be in the early 20`s.
If you could garauntee multiple wins but were bald,overwieght with green teeth you could prolly not even buy a pitpass at a nascrap event.Car control has nothing to do with it.
I stood next to Jeff Gordon at Salem in the very early 90`s. He was talking about the speech class he had been to that afternoon. His stepdad was/is a very smart man.

What motor said.:thumb:

SpfldMile · 1/3/08, 10:11 AM

That is why Jeff Gordon "made it" and Eric Gordon didn't. They both had similar success coming up. Jeff seemed to fit the "Days of Thunder" profile a little better.

international · 1/4/08, 9:56 PM

I think it is easier to see talent early in a non-wing car or midget. A winged car is easier to be fast in. So everybody is pretty fast. But a winged car seems more subtle in tire usage, setup and driver. All that just makes it harder to stick out in a crowd of winged cars. Take Schatz for example. He has always been fast-I think in 1996? he won 29 360 races and qualified for numerous WoO A features. But until he learned to drive a car which was out of his comfort zone (tighter) he never could finish races strong. He would be good on his comfort zone tracks and struggle elsewhere. Now he drives a car with less stagger and out smarts a lot of guys. He sets up for the end of races. As far as young talent is concerned Brad Sweet proved this year he can be fast in any form of open wheel car. It is too bad it is such a parade to get in line for NASCAR. I think some of the younger guys like Brad Sweet and Darren Hagen could be huge stars in the IRL if given the opportunity. Just as a side note, if you are not from Ind or NC it is hard to get appropriately noticed.

1/1/08, 6:07 PM	#11 Re: Non-Wingers To The Top
Bubzilla Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 203	Personally, I believe it has more to do with where the weight differences are on the 2 sprinter styles. In general, non-wingers drive them off the right rear, and with the forces torquing the weight over to the right while at speed in the turns (i.e. about to bicycle at any moment). Wingers have those barn doors on top driving most of the corner traction onto the left rear and pushing the chassis weight to the left (sometimes even carrying the right front while still in the turn).

1/1/08, 8:22 PM	#12 Re: Non-Wingers To The Top
petey Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 925	I think it has more to do with the fact that USAC has pavement events and that looks more attractive to lucrative racing teams.

1/1/08, 10:42 PM	#13 Re: Non-Wingers To The Top
Gasman fan 50 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 461	Mike Bliss, was an pavement driver, not very good on the dirt. He did good in the Crown cars.:applaud: There's not very many or (no nonwing sprints) up in the Northwest. Midgets only race on the pavement. They do come down and race on dirt with BCRA.:pissonwings:

1/2/08, 12:13 AM	#14 Re: Non-Wingers To The Top
Hawker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 349	Carl Edwards ran Silver Crown and IMCA type modifieds...

1/2/08, 2:21 PM	#16 Re: Non-Wingers To The Top
motorhead748 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,129	Plain and simple. Nascar owners/sponsors are looking for a good driver who looks better in front of a camera. Go to most non-wing races and there is a plethora of teenagers who could spend 3-5 years learning cabs and still be in the early 20`s. If you could garauntee multiple wins but were bald,overwieght with green teeth you could prolly not even buy a pitpass at a nascrap event.Car control has nothing to do with it. I stood next to Jeff Gordon at Salem in the very early 90`s. He was talking about the speech class he had been to that afternoon. His stepdad was/is a very smart man.

1/3/08, 10:11 AM	#18 Re: Non-Wingers To The Top
SpfldMile Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,345	That is why Jeff Gordon "made it" and Eric Gordon didn't. They both had similar success coming up. Jeff seemed to fit the "Days of Thunder" profile a little better.

1/4/08, 9:56 PM	#19 Re: Non-Wingers To The Top
international Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 47	I think it is easier to see talent early in a non-wing car or midget. A winged car is easier to be fast in. So everybody is pretty fast. But a winged car seems more subtle in tire usage, setup and driver. All that just makes it harder to stick out in a crowd of winged cars. Take Schatz for example. He has always been fast-I think in 1996? he won 29 360 races and qualified for numerous WoO A features. But until he learned to drive a car which was out of his comfort zone (tighter) he never could finish races strong. He would be good on his comfort zone tracks and struggle elsewhere. Now he drives a car with less stagger and out smarts a lot of guys. He sets up for the end of races. As far as young talent is concerned Brad Sweet proved this year he can be fast in any form of open wheel car. It is too bad it is such a parade to get in line for NASCAR. I think some of the younger guys like Brad Sweet and Darren Hagen could be huge stars in the IRL if given the opportunity. Just as a side note, if you are not from Ind or NC it is hard to get appropriately noticed.