the engine cost has to come down, but, what do you do with the motors that already built. forget right now all the rest of the cars that are the right weight and have a nice good motor in. The big motors have to be stoped and they want to race with amsa, and all you say is don't put weight on them. So in another words are you saying let things go as they are now? If you all want a change with the big built motors you have to slow them down, and putting some weights on them will do it, don't you think? If not that what, If you can come up with a good answer to all this, I bet JT would like some good solid know how. with out telling the big motor people to move on. That is not the way to end this all. I guess after the race Sat. if not rained out they are having Chili, that would be a good time for you all to just talk and get this out in the open. That sounds good to me how about you all?

[TNR22]

Originally Posted by Harry Jones 14 the engine cost has to come down, but, what do you do with the motors that already built. forget right now all the rest of the cars that are the right weight and have a nice good motor in. The big motors have to be stoped and they want to race with amsa, and all you say is don't put weight on them. So in another words are you saying let things go as they are now? If you all want a change with the big built motors you have to slow them down, and putting some weights on them will do it, don't you think? If not that what, If you can come up with a good answer to all this, I bet JT would like some good solid know how. with out telling the big motor people to move on. That is not the way to end this all. I guess after the race Sat. if not rained out they are having Chili, that would be a good time for you all to just talk and get this out in the open. That sounds good to me how about you all?

would someone please explain to me what he just said

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by TNR22 would someone please explain to me what he just said

He said it would be a good idea to talk about it over chili after the race on sat. Chili sounds good.

yes, I remember when amsa fell apart. JT has brought it back and each year it has gotten better. I was racing with them years ago. and it was a club then and that was the biggest mess, no one could get along. JT is doing a H*** of a job with amsa. And I for one wants to see it get even bigger and better. Yes he has some of the best tracks to race at. That is because of his reputation as being a very honest person, and he loves what he is doing. He is just looking out for you guys to make it fair to all.

[slide22]

Originally Posted by Harry Jones 14 yes, I remember when amsa fell apart. JT has brought it back and each year it has gotten better. I was racing with them years ago. and it was a club then and that was the biggest mess, no one could get along. JT is doing a H*** of a job with amsa. And I for one wants to see it get even bigger and better. Yes he has some of the best tracks to race at. That is because of his reputation as being a very honest person, and he loves what he is doing. He is just looking out for you guys to make it fair to all.

I think Jerry has done a great thing and all, but he himself didn't do it. The main reason was attaching to Lawrenceburg. I know he is working hard, but if people get priced out of the cars, they aren't going to race anymore.

racing is a sport of who has the most money or sponsorships. Its been that way for many years. Engine debates arent just part of mini sprints, look at usac, Tqs & winged sprints. Money dominates every series. There will never be a way of taking money from those who have it. Just try to get what they have and drive better. With the economy the way it is, it is a bad time to make high dollar changes.

[Phylo82]

Originally Posted by Harry Jones 14 no not is all crap, but, when you talk about golf, fishing, hunting and not the reason you are on here. Yes some changes has to be made, but, just what if weight isn't the way what is

Harry, the talk about golf, fishing, hunting, etc. was simply to lighten the mood. This is a chat sight, not an official AMSA meeting.....it doesn't have to be so God aweful serious all the time.

As for the discussion.....it was an honest attempt to try to make the AMSA better and more affordable. It was not intended in any manner to criticize Jerry.

Yes, Jerry owns the AMSA....we all realize that and we all understand that ultimately we will race by his rules. BUT, without all the drivers and car owners the AMSA would cease to exist. We all have plenty of money tied up in this and we have a voice as well.

I spent the past 5 years watching the sport of quarter midget racing fall apart because there ended up being two types of drivers.....those with parents that had money, and those that didn't. When TJ was running Senior Honda at Mini-Indy in 2007 there were 25 cars in that class.....there are less than 10 this year. Blue-printed motors, carbon fiber body parts, etc. etc. etc. have run the average income family right out of racing.

We enjoy running with the AMSA....but like anything else in life things change, and you have to be prepared to adjust to those changes. Running with the AMSA is a lot of fun but there is always room for improvement. The drivers and guys that write the checks should be able to make recommendations without people getting defensive about it.

I honestly hope you believe me when I say that nothing we were discussing was meant as a slight towards Jerry or anyone else involved with the AMSA.....we are just looking for ways to make the racing fair and affordable.


FYI - regarding your original post....I have not had a conversation with Jerry. Hopefully when the season is over we can all sit down and have a reasonable, constructive conversation. I look forward to it.

Thanks!

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Some people are just stuck in their ways. Times change and technology changes. Does any motorcycle company produce 1200cc engines? None that I know of. You have to change and adapt with the times.

so are you saying JT is stuck in his ways? If that was true then why is he trying to change the rules and make it where everyone can race without spending every dime that they have. I talk to people at the tracks and think I have even talked to you and your dad if you drive car 22. JT wants to make it fair so they can race with what ever association they choose too. I guess he hopes they will stay with amsa, but, that is their choice to race with who they trust is looking out for each one of their drivers intrest. I just hope you guys will give JT the support that he deserves to make this amsa grow, bigger then what it was this year there are some great plans going on for next year. I hope to see you all Sat. I will be around but you won't know it. JT don't even know who I am, but, he will before next year.

[suzuki756]

i think some of those cars have stk motors some i know are not stk but are legal under the rules we have now,but lets think about this if it was a stock 1000 class do you think maybe some of the cars running the other series would come over because they can now compete on a fair series.sure some will be mad and i understand there side
i would be alittle mad to if i spent that kind of money to race for $500.00 and now i can't but you can sell the motors dirt drags,hillclimb,drag bike people don't just use them for mini sprints but i am sure you will loose money on them lets face it you never get what you have in a race car.
jt does have a bid decision to make 3-4 cars or more i don't know what will happen if its the wrong one or what is the wrong one.
but weight will not work and hanging alot of weight is not safe
but everyone needs to know soon what the rules will be to make decisions for next year,
and jerry and his team has done a good job this year i think lawrenceburg loves the mini sprints and the show at kc was awesome.
there are alot better drivers then me out there but when you start on a pole and get blowed by down the back stretch by 2-3 cars most of that is not the driver
if those cars start in the back the still find the front and check out in heat races its big HP
good luck jerry