Jason

(quote)

Dftly was a "big step"...just at the end of a short season / the 1st BMARA had of any efforts of this such...lots of plans and efforts to bring "national engines" back out, are now null & void...hope some one brings up a motion to vote the restricted "Nationals" back in (for even a year or two), at the Nov meeting...

The way I understand it is the Old motors are probably going to be forced into retirement and to me that is a shame...Not knowing what BMARA rules are actually going to be it would probably cheaper to take the old motor out put it on a stand and put it into their living rooms until they can find a buyer. Actually if the DII people do not get too far away from the rules used this year, building one of their type motors might be cheaper than a freshen up. If BMARA opened the flood gates and only require stock head block and crank their motors are going to be a little on the pricey side, once the racers get their wallets open. The way I read that one post you made You had 3 National Midgets in the last race of the year up there and they finished 1>2>3. That track is an HP track and I see the Race engines having an advantage there. So they are probably sacrificing 3 or 4 cars in hopes of attracting more stock block cars, probably not a bad decision on their parts.

With Powri starting several groups of DII Midgets in Illinois they might be the best bet to race with. With their insurance and size they just might be the better choice. I guess there will still be some old Midgets running next year at a few tracks in Indiana but they probably won't be as regular of a show.

Now all the racer has to do is hold on until they release the rules and go to work. I will make a prediction however


"There will be quite a bit more Midget racing activity taking place all around the country next summer". And to me that is a good thing.


Honest Dad himself

2015 rules said u can replace basically all but that block, head, & crank. I know you don't HAVE to, but you CAN...just like u CAN buy as many $168 tires a week you want...idgi...

WAY more than 3 "national" engines cars were there, or ALMOST (I was just hours & a few $100 away - actually I posted that on IoW back in early Sept...lol) were there. Many got interested once the schedules moved around (races added, etc) & the restrictor sizes got smaller (the engine I have was a 2" stack).

It is what it is tho...someone would have to make a motion at the meeting to have another vote...

Jason

From looking at the DII numbers in the poll it appears that one of the most positive votes was to include the old National Motors. That meeting should be interesting. I wish You luck.

You know a guy could spend a few thousand dollars welding up one of these DII heads to straighten the intake ports up a tad and give that Toyota Midget a run for it's money. Do it with RPM's. I think the crank and block would be up to the task.

Honest Dad himself

Again, please do your research before spreading false information. Please read the rule book and BMARA by-laws before commenting on their rules, policies and procedures.

http://midgets.bmara.com/downloads/get.aspx?i=250243

Ray

Jason posted that it looked like the older national motors were out. I mentioned to Jason that a very large number of respondents wanted to allow some form of purpose built motors to still race with DII Midgets. The way I read the rules they would not. Is that correct???

Honest Dad himself

They are out as of last week. There were 13 votes. I don't know how many voted to keep the National engines. The poll you refer is most likely not anything to do with BMARA...lol. Us in the "large numbers" of that poll may need to start our own club...lol. Or, if someone would bring it back to vote with BMARA at the Nov meeting...

The OEM cylinder head maybe machined or strengthened for longevity. Portingof the cylinder head including intake matching is NOT ALLOWED. Machining, grinding, sanding, or etching of the intake
and/or exhaust ports are STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Camshafts, valve springs, valve spring retainers, keepers, and fowler maybe replaced with aftermarket products. All timing components such as cam gears, sprockets, timing chains, and timing belts maybe replaced with aftermarket products. Titanium products are NOT allowed

Given the fact that porting of heads is not permitted, does the Ecotec really have the CFM to make 300+ Horsepower?? Maybe the Honda does??

From what I understand the difference between DII and BMARA is mostly in the use of aftermarket bolt on parts. Cams, valves, pistons etc. Both have opted for stock blocks, cranks and heads allowing only minor changes to these parts.

It is great to see so much interest in the class and so much interest in keeping the cost down for all the classes of cars. I think we should wait to see the DII rules posted to compare the two. I really don't expect to see a big difference and probably a good DII car could compete with the BMARA racers. I really don't think a lot of guys realize how good of a motor the Ecotec is right out of the car and on to the race track. Many of these aftermarket parts I would classify as Glittering Bull $^it.

Horsepower is directly proportional to how much air you can cram into the cylinder on each stroke and then how much can you compress it until it is time to fire it off. Cams help a little but port design and valve area are paramount and both set of rules take these variables out of the equation.

Honest Dad himself