Well he didn't design these cars. He did the cosmetic nose surgery on these cars. These are the New Generation Silver Crown pavement cars. They have been receipients of cosmetic surgery to change their looks.

Maybe that is the reason with the new nose and flip ups on the front. People think these are new cars and they aren't. They are reheated failures kind of like the leftovers from supper during the first year of marriage: they left a bad taste in your mouth the first time and will a second time. Only think is, BBQ sauces or Ketchup will deaden the taste of the leftovers, not sure what will help with the bad taste the cars will leave.

Sorry I thought these were new cars with all new design. So these cars have already been raced. I have been miss led. Used race cars with new bodies. And used race cars with different tires.

Lynn

It sounds like you are in charge of speaking for everybody - you are not - I don't think - at least not for me.

They may have left a bad taste in your mouth, but I liked the old (new) SC cars and I like the new (new) GC cars. I went to see the new generation SC race and I will go to see the GC race.

One thing you are in charge of - constant and consistent negative posts.

Cue the guy beating a dead horse...

Well I'll throw in my 6 cents here(inflation, use to be 2 cents) and say I didn't like the old/new car and this one look just as bad if not worse. The previous version was unable to provide close racing/passing due to aero reasons. The new car with the new nose/sidepods won't do any better and the nose looks to me like it would provide LIFT instead of downforce. The sidepods are a joke. Sorry but this thing looks more like a rental go cart than a race car. I'm sure wings are to follow. It's been admitted on here that he has NEVER done a front engine car and I doubt he's ever designed a car for primarly oval track racing. And does Mr. Ashmore have a clue as to the history of real champ cars? Has he even BEEN to a dirt champ race, other than the new gen car? All you've done is dress a pig in a different body, a body built by 5-star who build stock car bodies and have never done an open wheel body before........ Congrats, you now have an open wheel version of the C.O.T.

Hey Seadog, just some FYI I am not speaking for anyone else but myself but I do believe there are quite a few other posters here that feel the same way I do.

Not all of my posts are negative. I know that conflicts with you perceived notion of me but I am sorry to break that bad news to you.

But of course, all those who disagree with you and sc96, USACfan and a few more are the evil ones around here. I don't just take what people give me as gspel. I actually look and see facts and so far the facts show these cars are not as interesting as the obsessed fanatics think they will/should be.

from wikipedia

Bruce Ashmore (born c. 1959 in Cambridge, England) is a race car designer who designed and developed 11 championship winning IndyCars with two different race car manufacturers, first with Lola Cars and then with Reynard Motorsports.

After graduating from Cambridge Technical University he started working for Lola Cars in Huntingdon, England. During his seventeen years with Lola he worked his way up from intern to chief designer. Bruce was a member of the design team for many race car projects and was the chief designer on the T8800, T8900, T9000, T9100, & T9200 Lola IndyCars.

Then, in 1993 Ashmore joined Reynard Motorsports to begin work on their first Indycar. Within two years Reynard overtook Lola to become the leading Indycar chassis manufacturer.

Bruce's role with Reynard Motorsport took him to the United States where he setup Reynard North America (RNA) and later built the Auto Research Center (ARC) in Indianapolis, Indiana. ARC became the Reynard North American Headquarters. Between 1993 and 1998, he served as Technical Director for RNA and later also for ARC and then in 1999 became president of RNA.

Ashmore joined Forysthe Championship Racing CART team in 2001. After two successful years with the team where he planned the Championship title bid in 2003 he left at the end of 2002 to start Ashmore Design. Ashmore Design has had contracts with Menard Competition Technologies, Menard Engineering, RuSPORT Champ Car team, Conquest Racing and more recently with C&R Racing Incorporated. Ashmore helped Chris Paulsen design the C&R Racing United States Auto Club (USAC) Silver Crown race car.

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So basically other than "helping" design a new gen car with C&R he has mainly dealt with rear engine road racing type cars/drivers. JUST the man I want leading USAC racers into the big leagues, someone with little or no clue as to the history of dirt champ cars coming from a background of looking down on USAC type drivers..........

Curious question: who owns the black car?

Facts? You are mistaking "facts" for personal opinions. "Interesting" is not a fact, it is an opinion. If you're slotting me into your "obsessed fanatics" category, that seems to be kind of drastic, don't you think? I like them, but my life doesn't revolve it. I don't live or die by these cars.

That's OK if you hate these cars. Everyone is entitled to their OPINION. Or with you, everyone is entitled to your opinion.

Can you link me to a positive post that you've made? Thanks.

If I'm not mistaken these car looks like the lengends cars they race and I think they call them roadsters. Someone had a car out there that looked like this.

What's the price of one of these cars? I remember an earlier post saying they were full of carbon fiber. They run a Nascar motor (to help Nascar teams get rid of last years stuff) which I would guess is more than a sprintcar 410 motor. Are we talking 100,000 just for the chassis.