[DAD]

Originally Posted by TQ29m I guess I don't understand, I've been running the same Winters, I bought new in 1994, without any gear failure, I'd guess the midget rear end is good for at least 500hp. Gear ratios? between all the gear manufcturers, you can get down to 12.26 to one, over the counter, and right now, I'm working on a 6.2 ring and pinion, to replace the 5.38, so that will make the gear selection even better. I can tell you this, when you spin one up past 11k, the bearings get real unhappy, but, I have a cure for that also. Why don't we run their rules?they don't run dirt, and they have a lot different people to deal with, then we do, to even over the next 10 years, to think about going to their style of car, and rules, would probably wipe out the TQ racing in the Midwest, and I don't think anyone wants to see that happen, we have as open a set of rules you can think of, yet are restrained enough, to keep most cars competative, and the expense down, I, for one, would sure hate to see anything changed, except the weight rule, everything else lets us run like the big boys, no tire rules, no gas vs alcohol, no "stock" engine rule, just some simple rules, that are easy to follow, and lets the owner actually work on the motor, as long as he stays in the box, that's the fun part, the racing is the test part. I think a lot of confusion, is the fact that a lot of the racers, don't understand the engine rules, or we just don't have real race mechanics involved anymore. BTW, we used to have a few teams here in Indiana, that had both types of cars, and ran with the East Coast roadsters, and in Florida, but not many can afford that many cars. Just Google Can-Am Midgets for their rules, and how, and where they run, totally different than anything we do. JMHO Bob!

We run our 1000cc between 12500 and 14000 rpm's every race. Some of the 600cc are going 15000 + rpm's. They do have a clutch and I sure hope they used an engine heater.

[thebus79h]

Originally Posted by TQ29m I guess I don't understand, I've been running the same Winters, I bought new in 1994, without any gear failure, I'd guess the midget rear end is good for at least 500hp. Gear ratios? between all the gear manufcturers, you can get down to 12.26 to one, over the counter, and right now, I'm working on a 6.2 ring and pinion, to replace the 5.38, so that will make the gear selection even better. I can tell you this, when you spin one up past 11k, the bearings get real unhappy, but, I have a cure for that also. Why don't we run their rules?they don't run dirt, and they have a lot different people to deal with, then we do, to even over the next 10 years, to think about going to their style of car, and rules, would probably wipe out the TQ racing in the Midwest, and I don't think anyone wants to see that happen, we have as open a set of rules you can think of, yet are restrained enough, to keep most cars competative, and the expense down, I, for one, would sure hate to see anything changed, except the weight rule, everything else lets us run like the big boys, no tire rules, no gas vs alcohol, no "stock" engine rule, just some simple rules, that are easy to follow, and lets the owner actually work on the motor, as long as he stays in the box, that's the fun part, the racing is the test part. I think a lot of confusion, is the fact that a lot of the racers, don't understand the engine rules, or we just don't have real race mechanics involved anymore. BTW, we used to have a few teams here in Indiana, that had both types of cars, and ran with the East Coast roadsters, and in Florida, but not many can afford that many cars. Just Google Can-Am Midgets for their rules, and how, and where they run, totally different than anything we do. JMHO Bob!

I'm just talking engines. The TQ's around this part of the country are in the past.

[TQ29m]

Well, YOU ARE ENTITLED to your opinion, but you aren't comparing apples to apples, the original TQ, is what you see around the Midwest, which has always been a different car, the East Coast Version, they run a lot of indoor in Canada, and the US, that's why the Can-Am name. As far as the TQ's around here being in the past, depends on your perspective, that's how we like them, and I'm pretty sure this is the way they'll stay, just as the Midgets, and Sprint cars, they have evolved in the expense, but they'll stay as they are, because that's how the people that own them, want them, other wise, we might all be running the same thing, and who knows what that might be, and man, wouldn't that be interesting! And, BTW, they have engine rules quite similar to ours, but most of the guys run some sort of twin cam, 750cc, mostly Susies, and Kaw's, stock, but they can run slotted cam gears, we currently have Kaw's, Susie's, and Yamaha's, Triump Daytona 675, and of course, the Honda SOHC, at 836, I run a 600, 2009 Yamaha, and it is very easy on the pocket, and we usually run in the top 5, in fact, our average, for 2009-2010 was 5th. Bob!

[thebus79h]

Bob, sprint cars, midgets, and nearly every form of racing has evolved. There are so many things that could be updated on a TQ to get more cars to show up to the track. I've been around racing all my life, but having to search for old motorcycle parts isn't bringing people to the sport, and that's exactly the reason the mini and micro sprints are growing, and it has nothing to do with a chain drive. You can go put in an R6, or RR and be competitive in either one. The engine rules in the TQs out east are different from my conversation with the guy that had the car, and the newer engines are much cheaper, and you have the availability to use other vendors and engine builders to do so. There isn't any engine builders out there that are really truthfully reputable for TQs, but I can name you 20 in the mini sprint and micro sprint world.

If some people had their way nothing would evolve, evolution is part of life. I've said forever, put an actual engine in a TQ that doesn't detinate after a few races, you've got the perfect car.

PS, sorry for jacking the thread, but I'm still interested to know exactly what engine is in there.
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[TQ29m]

Billy, I can assure you it is a current 750cc of some kind, that's the limit in their rules, it's either a Kaw, or a Suzuki, I doubt it would be a Honda, no low end in the newer configuration. And, in case you didn't follow, not everyone in the local area TQ's are still running the old Honda, I went to a modern engine in 2005, and never looked back, I can put together 4 of them, for the cost of a set of rods for a Honda, and the Triumph 675, 3 cylinder is a good engine to look into, as well as the Kaw, but in our world, the stock 750 current motors, just don't measure up, unless you do some pretty fancy tuning, and that usually runs into money, as the old monkey story goes. You didn't hijack the thread, you asked what engine was in it, and I answered you. I like the looks of Danny's creation, but it isn't our cup of tea on the dirt, Danny has long been known for his ability to think out of the box, and it's got him in trouble some also, but he has the urge to test the limits, and some times you win, and sometimes you lose. There's so many old Honda's around, they made over 3 million of them, that guys just can't break the habit, they keep trying to quit, but someone gives them a deal on a motor, or a bus load of parts, and there they are, runnin a Honda again, and looks like it will continue, not many people are brave enough to peek outside of the box, I went to the trouble to make castings, and parts to changeover all the adapters and things, from a Honda, to something else, so they could use all their stuff off the Honda, and made it available to those who want to run longer, better, and cheaper, sorry, no interest, so I figured I'd done my part. Yamaha Forever! And, for the record, the first Yamaha 600 I put in the car, had 80 night's of racing on it, when I pulled it out, just flat felt sorry for it!!!Bob!

[LocalYokel]

FWIW, without seeing the entire suspension of Drinans newest TQ creation, it doesn't look all that much different from the new TQ's being fabricated on the east coast.
In fact, just at a glance, it looks a good deal like the car Cicconi designed a few years back.
I understand however, that for those used to the usual midwest TQ, it has to look like it came from outer space.

And what little I do know about TQ's, these days, Id say its got the stock 750 Suzuki in it, as that's the hot set-up in the ATQMRA right now.

[speidel21]

Originally Posted by thebus79h If some people had their way nothing would evolve, evolution is part of life. I've said forever, put an actual engine in a TQ that doesn't detinate after a few races, you've got the perfect car. Posted via Mobile Device

Wow I know of several TQ guys that have the perfect car then

[c47]

http://aarn.com/images/2012_TQ_midget_rules.pdf

In fact, just at a glance, it looks a good deal like the car Cicconi designed a few years back.

which was a cicconi/drinan creation as well.

[LocalYokel]

Originally Posted by c47 which was a cicconi/drinan creation as well.

Im referencing the car that was built by a company in Pennsylvania just 2 or 3 years ago, that Liquid had a hand in designing, not the Cicconi/Drinan car that was built 8 or 9 years ago.
However, I guess that car was based off of the first car, so its all kinda just a modification of a modification. Like pretty much all race cars...
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[c47]

hyper built a few "indoor" 600's to compete against the TQ's at the indoor shows.
as i understand it, louie had input on the design of these cars.
and there have been quite a few collaborations between drinan and cicconi over the years in super modifieds, midgets and TQ's