[Seadog]

Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan prove that i am wrong. do it. my statements are based on common sense with no attachment. yours are based on a clear attachment to USAC that at times blinds you to reality. don't try to tell me either that coons, stanbrough, tracy hines or levi jones are as much household names as Steve Kinser, Danny Schatz or Joey Saldana because you know that is bs (and if you don't, it is because you haven't opened your eyes to reality)

You made the statement, not me. So the burden of proof is on you. Popularity or recognition is not the issue. The issue is what it takes to get your product on TV, which is $$$. Unless your product has absolutely proven to be a revenue generator for television, like American Idol, Super Bowl, etc., then you'll have to pay to be on there. WoO is not even a spec on the radar screen compared to TV shows like that.

If the Outlaws give you such a big woody, then why don't you go to one of their message boards where people share your excitement for them?

[fishnman]

Quite interesting going through this post after I just finished reading the article in Sprint Car and Midget about the old Thunder Series.

[sprinter25]

Kevin Miller is way too busy fixing the Silver Crown Series(old car vs. new car) to worry too much about TV....right?

[Boston41]

Originally Posted by Seadog You made the statement, not me. So the burden of proof is on you. Popularity or recognition is not the issue. The issue is what it takes to get your product on TV, which is $$$. Unless your product has absolutely proven to be a revenue generator for television, like American Idol, Super Bowl, etc., then you'll have to pay to be on there. WoO is not even a spec on the radar screen compared to TV shows like that.

Although I agree with you Gregg in that money is the deciding factor, I think we all should consider where the money comes from --- No television program airs for free, and no exception is made to American Idol or the Superbowl, however they share a common thread in that they get fantastic sponsors.

I believe the aussie makes a good point in the differences between WOO and USAC - and those differences are probably some of the reasons why wingless cars may not pull the quality of sponsorship as their winged cousin - I would imagine that if winged sprints didnt look like some freak on dirt, and its popularity was based purely on the quality of the racing, we'd be seeing more USAC on the tube.

Originally Posted by Seadog You made the statement, not me. So the burden of proof is on you. Popularity or recognition is not the issue. The issue is what it takes to get your product on TV, which is $$$. Unless your product has absolutely proven to be a revenue generator for television, like American Idol, Super Bowl, etc., then you'll have to pay to be on there. WoO is not even a spec on the radar screen compared to TV shows like that.

Boston kinda touched on this, but you say it's all about the money, NOT any of the things that aussie said, correct? Well, why is WoO able to pay the money to be on TV and USAC isn't? Seems to me that maybe some of the things that aussie mentioned come in to play, whether it is in relation to raising the money to pay for airtime, or if it translates directly to being provided with free airtime...........

[AERO410SCJA]

This idea that 'VS' don't have viewers is crap.It's in Millions of house holds if you have direct tv turn to channel 603:angry-smiley-007:

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by Dano959 Boston kinda touched on this, but you say it's all about the money, NOT any of the things that aussie said, correct? Well, why is WoO able to pay the money to be on TV and USAC isn't? Seems to me that maybe some of the things that aussie mentioned come in to play, whether it is in relation to raising the money to pay for airtime, or if it translates directly to being provided with free airtime...........

Are you serious? OK, try this on for size. WoO's for profit parent company has much, much deeper pockets than USAC does. That's how. Any more questions? Believe me, TV is all about money. Nothing is free. It has nothing to do with quality. American Idol is proof of that. I guarantee you that if USAC had the $$$ to be on TV, they would be there. When Thunder was on years ago, the TV landscape was very different.

Interesting......... All I ever hear about is that the parent company is losing millions and is gonna be filing for bankruptcy any day now.

I re-read both my original post, and also where you quoted it, and I don't see where I made ANY references to the quality of the product (racing or program).

[Seadog]

Originally Posted by Dano959 Interesting......... All I ever hear about is that the parent company is losing millions and is gonna be filing for bankruptcy any day now

Ever heard of Chrysler or Ford? Those companies bleed money by the BILLIONS. That doesn't stop them from buying needed products or commercial time on TV or even spend money to race in Nascar. It's about upholding a public image for them regardless of their financial status. It's an "investment" if you will.

I'll say it again - It's about money. There is no such thing as free TV. Somebody has to pay for air time. And when all is said and done, it's the consumer - you and me - that really pays for it.

FYI - World Racing Group is still trading at 29 cents per share - not too stout. http://investing.businessweek.com/re...?capId=6654807

[Klepper]

Gentlemen Gentlemen... its nice to hear such pleasant things about our beloved sport.

Just to clarify... Thursday night Thunder was paid for by ESPN... not by USAC. I believe the WoO spent about $2.5 million (rumored) to be on TV last year.
As someone said... if we (USAC) had $2.5 million to spend on TV... would we do it... YOU THINK??

Bottom line is that TV cost lots of money no matter who pays for it. Versus Channel is a Tier 1 Cable station as is SPEED. Each goes into the same households. If you think you don't have it... you probably still do. Call your cable provider to find out. All VS. is, is the old OLN channel.

For more info on the USAC TV Broadcasts on VS. please visit www.motorsportshour.com

rk