POWRI Sched

groove grabber · 1/31/09, 5:57 PM

Don, Just what is the payout for the Powri series? I agree with your pay structure point of view. It's always been my belief that when running a special touring series, sometimes a top heavy payout has been beneficial to bring in a few more cars because everyone including myself has said " whats it pay to win". But the fact is this series has quite a few committed racers and ones that are capable of putting on a very good show by themselves so why not take care of everyone a little more. Most of the time those who win the big money arent exactly the ones who are short on funds anyhow.

also, what does it cost per night as far as the entry fees, average pit pass and etc.

Shane Cockrum

DonMoore10 · 1/31/09, 7:25 PM

For a regular show, if you don't win, don't expect much, especially if you finish third on back. Even 2nd I think pays $1000 or $1200. Third I think is about $750, possibly less. I'm not sure right now but by the time I pay a driver and pay the outragious Hoosier Tire Company prices, I'm in the hole big time. We finished 2nd in the points in the indoor Rumble Series and 100% of my take went to Hoosier. ***.

POWRi charges an entry fee. $30 if u are a member, $20 if you're not. Pit pass is usually $25 or $30. The entry and pit pass scheme at the Gold Crown Nationals was off the charts. Once again, I think it is way over the edge to be charging car owners and drivers, who are the stars of the show, a fee to enter the race track. Joe the water truck guy doesn't pay for his pit pass. Is that who the fans come to see? Do you pay an entry fee to get into your work place each day? why not? That's what's going on at the race track.

Owners and drivers are getting ripped off across the country with this practice.

Sandy Lowe · 2/1/09, 11:20 PM

Don,

I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me if you let drivers in for free you might open up some liability issues if they were ever injured.

I'm also not a promoter but I think every competitor should be assured of receiving his pit pass monies and entry fees back as some sort of "tow money." If pit passes are $25 each and you have a $30 entry fee every car should be assured of $80 minimum in purse (owner & driver pit pass + entry fee). And I think that should be for all classes.

Sandy

DonMoore10 · 2/2/09, 10:21 AM

Everyone signs a waiver when they enter the pits as far as I know. If there has to be a fee, which I'm having a hard time understanding why, $1 would work for me. Does the water truck guy and pit stewards sign a waiver and buy a pit pass???

Regarding returning the entry and pit pass fees: An Owner/driver could potentially walk away from the track with more money in his pocket than someone who qualified to race for purse money.

Interesting that there are tons of promoters that read the posts on IOW and not one of them has stepped forward to tell us why they are charging drivers/owners a fee to enter the track. I can think of a few prominant race execs that only come out of hiding to comment on posts that are in their favor. I invite the big box execs to come on here and tell us why they are charging, for example, an entry fee. I'm looking forward to reading it.

Why is a pit pass more money than the gate admission? Most pit areas at tracks are the "pits" literally, especially the ones with dust storms. These track owners need to visit places like Paducah International Speedway ( a dirt track ) that have a dustless and attractive pit area. Heck, they even have a guy paid to just hose down the dirt entrance area to the track. If we have to pay a pit fee, they can at least make it tolerable to be there.

Seems to me that the promoters can still make money form the back gate from all the rest of the people in the pits. Owner/drivers probably make up only a small portion of the people who buy a pit pass.

jdull99 · 2/2/09, 10:52 AM

Don, I do not want to say ANYTHING bad about POWRi at all, but I will add here, if there was anything different with the pay-out, I might plan on making a few more races with the club too. I can understand rewarding those that have the skills and have put the effort into making themselves succesful, but anything can happen at the racetrack. It is a comfortaning to know if you have a problem, you might get more than $50 (I can only hope the practice of good pay-outs continue with BMARA).

But who are we to argue? 281 guys ran the "Silly Bowl" without any indication of what they might be paid (unless you were couting on winning). I'm sure the pay-out in the back of the field worked out to be less than $50per day!

I will also too mention my appreciation of the work POWRi puts into the club and the fact that they do schedule races at some of the real "racey" tracks like Macon, Bellville, DuQuoin, etc. I just wish I did not live around 5 hours away!

Jason Dull
815 494 6002
jdull99@hotmail.com
jasondull.com (For all the Racing News)

petey · 2/2/09, 11:42 AM

July 4th at Haubstadt is against the ASCS at Presleyland in Chandler a few miles away. Was wanting to hit the later but since that is a two nighter I may just hit Fri. there and go to the Class Track on Sat. Hopefully it's co-sanctioned with MSCS.

DonMoore10 · 2/2/09, 2:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdull99

281 guys ran the "Silly Bowl" without any indication of what they might be paid (unless you were couting on winning). I'm sure the pay-out in the back of the field worked out to be less than $50per day!

Not going to go into detail, but the 281 (293?) teams that show up there are a big problem for legtimate outdoor midget racing. For starters, setting a very, very, very bad example of what midget teams are willing to tolerate: Example: worst midget purse based on the income of the promotion. So the midget community has no one to blame but themselves. You can't have both ways.

6157 · 2/2/09, 3:34 PM

These threads are always fun because they show Don Moore's true intentions:

He wants everyone to pay but him. I wonder what his crew members think about his "I shouldn't pay but the crew should" attitude?

2/2/09, 4:07 PM

.....if he only had a crew. Normally Don shows up at the track with his race car and 2 beautiful Boxers. And I imagine they work pretty cheap.....

DonMoore10 · 2/2/09, 4:16 PM

Yeah.. they do the laundry and cook the meals... sweep the motorhome out once in awhile. They also wonder when 6157 will ever post anything intelligent on the subject.

1/31/09, 7:25 PM	#12 Re: POWRI Sched
DonMoore10 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,474	For a regular show, if you don't win, don't expect much, especially if you finish third on back. Even 2nd I think pays $1000 or $1200. Third I think is about $750, possibly less. I'm not sure right now but by the time I pay a driver and pay the outragious Hoosier Tire Company prices, I'm in the hole big time. We finished 2nd in the points in the indoor Rumble Series and 100% of my take went to Hoosier. **. POWRi charges an entry fee. $30 if u are a member, $20 if you're not. Pit pass is usually $25 or $30. The entry and pit pass scheme at the Gold Crown Nationals was off the charts. Once again, I think it is way over the edge to be charging car owners and drivers, who are the stars of the show, a fee to enter the race track. Joe the water truck guy doesn't pay for his pit pass. Is that who the fans come to see? Do you pay an entry fee to get into your work place each day? why not? That's what's going on at the race track. Owners and drivers are getting ripped off across the country with this practice. _________________________________________________ Last edited by DonMoore10; 1/31/09 at 7:28 PM.*

1/31/09, 5:57 PM	#11 Re: POWRI Sched
groove grabber Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 358	Don, Just what is the payout for the Powri series? I agree with your pay structure point of view. It's always been my belief that when running a special touring series, sometimes a top heavy payout has been beneficial to bring in a few more cars because everyone including myself has said " whats it pay to win". But the fact is this series has quite a few committed racers and ones that are capable of putting on a very good show by themselves so why not take care of everyone a little more. Most of the time those who win the big money arent exactly the ones who are short on funds anyhow. also, what does it cost per night as far as the entry fees, average pit pass and etc. Shane Cockrum

2/1/09, 11:20 PM	#13 Re: POWRI Sched
Sandy Lowe Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,718	Don, I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me if you let drivers in for free you might open up some liability issues if they were ever injured. I'm also not a promoter but I think every competitor should be assured of receiving his pit pass monies and entry fees back as some sort of "tow money." If pit passes are $25 each and you have a $30 entry fee every car should be assured of $80 minimum in purse (owner & driver pit pass + entry fee). And I think that should be for all classes. Sandy

2/2/09, 10:21 AM	#14 Re: POWRI Sched
DonMoore10 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,474	Everyone signs a waiver when they enter the pits as far as I know. If there has to be a fee, which I'm having a hard time understanding why, $1 would work for me. Does the water truck guy and pit stewards sign a waiver and buy a pit pass??? Regarding returning the entry and pit pass fees: An Owner/driver could potentially walk away from the track with more money in his pocket than someone who qualified to race for purse money. Interesting that there are tons of promoters that read the posts on IOW and not one of them has stepped forward to tell us why they are charging drivers/owners a fee to enter the track. I can think of a few prominant race execs that only come out of hiding to comment on posts that are in their favor. I invite the big box execs to come on here and tell us why they are charging, for example, an entry fee. I'm looking forward to reading it. Why is a pit pass more money than the gate admission? Most pit areas at tracks are the "pits" literally, especially the ones with dust storms. These track owners need to visit places like Paducah International Speedway ( a dirt track ) that have a dustless and attractive pit area. Heck, they even have a guy paid to just hose down the dirt entrance area to the track. If we have to pay a pit fee, they can at least make it tolerable to be there. Seems to me that the promoters can still make money form the back gate from all the rest of the people in the pits. Owner/drivers probably make up only a small portion of the people who buy a pit pass.

2/2/09, 10:52 AM	#15 Re: POWRI Sched
jdull99 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 6,593	Don, I do not want to say ANYTHING bad about POWRi at all, but I will add here, if there was anything different with the pay-out, I might plan on making a few more races with the club too. I can understand rewarding those that have the skills and have put the effort into making themselves succesful, but anything can happen at the racetrack. It is a comfortaning to know if you have a problem, you might get more than $50 (I can only hope the practice of good pay-outs continue with BMARA). But who are we to argue? 281 guys ran the "Silly Bowl" without any indication of what they might be paid (unless you were couting on winning). I'm sure the pay-out in the back of the field worked out to be less than $50per day! I will also too mention my appreciation of the work POWRi puts into the club and the fact that they do schedule races at some of the real "racey" tracks like Macon, Bellville, DuQuoin, etc. I just wish I did not live around 5 hours away! Jason Dull 815 494 6002 jdull99@hotmail.com jasondull.com (For all the Racing News)

2/2/09, 11:42 AM	#16 Re: POWRI Sched
petey Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 925	July 4th at Haubstadt is against the ASCS at Presleyland in Chandler a few miles away. Was wanting to hit the later but since that is a two nighter I may just hit Fri. there and go to the Class Track on Sat. Hopefully it's co-sanctioned with MSCS.

2/2/09, 3:34 PM	#18 Re: POWRI Sched
6157 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 253	These threads are always fun because they show Don Moore's true intentions: He wants everyone to pay but him. I wonder what his crew members think about his "I shouldn't pay but the crew should" attitude?

2/2/09, 4:07 PM	#19 Re: POWRI Sched
mortboyz Posts: n/a	.....if he only had a crew. Normally Don shows up at the track with his race car and 2 beautiful Boxers. And I imagine they work pretty cheap.....

2/2/09, 4:16 PM	#20 Re: POWRI Sched
DonMoore10 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,474	Yeah.. they do the laundry and cook the meals... sweep the motorhome out once in awhile. They also wonder when 6157 will ever post anything intelligent on the subject.