Phil

Could that be considered a "restrain of trade" violation.
Could be because they ain't worth a hoot and wont stay together.
Give minisprintracing a chance then you will know for sure. He is probably going to beat you anyhow.

I can get you a real good deal on some "FRESH" Honda 750 motors, some of them might be minus the trans and clutch and they come right off the bike with "DRY SUMP OILING".


Honest Dad himself

Dad you beat me to it! I looked on e-bay and was going to post the same thing. So Phil If you and all the other groups are basing the BMW ban on price and availability your previous statement is just not true! It's no secret I have one and working on it to get it to run properly on the Dyno. If you seen the numbers after the first run you would invite it to run at any event! Almost ready to go to the Dyno for the second time to see if we have it figured out. I will make sure to post a copy of the Dyno run for all to see when we get it figured out. By the way when it does get figured out you will be able to put a BMW together for a lot less money then your zx10. So price and availability should not be the issue! If we're going to ban a manufacture because of cost it looks to me like we should look at Suzuki. They have always been the highest price engines to run for years. Boy that would piss some people off!

Mini

Do you still use the radio ignition key to start your race car. Just think people you could be the first racer on the block with a theft proof race car.

If the BMW works great>>> if not "OH WELL" we tried.>>> But "Can't never Did". Racing is supposed to improve the breed. Let racers that push the envelope push it as fart as they can they are after all having fun.

Honest Dad himself

Some groups around here just don't want the beamers right now because there is not enough to go around. Plain and simple. If other groups want to run the bmw, nobody is going to stop them. This is a topic that can still be looked into again next year.

As for DAD, if any of you look on ebay, you'll see that DAD posted loaded numbers. For the BMWs, he is refereeing to just bare engine prices & for the other motors he is referring to complete kit prices. Right now on ebay you'll see 2011 or newer bare Yamahas and Hondas for around $1500, there are 2 bare BMWs around $2000, bare Suzukis for $2200-$2500, and there is one complete 2011/2012 Kawasaki for $3000. So really all the prices are about the same, just a lot more Japanese motors available right now.

Hi Dad, ya we had to use the key to start it but we are working with someone to reflash the ecu to eliminate that and some other things we think that's causing it to not run to full potential. Maybe it's all for nothing but really feel like I can't turn back now! I will say it again I commend all of you putting forth the effort to get a national set of rules in place!! We need stock engine rules come to a agreement on the weight issue. I think banning manufactures is just not the issues that are causing the lack of growth in this class. I think I'm entering my 20th year running one and I have seen the class at a high and definitely at its lows. I will be the first to agree that the modifying of engines has been the downfall of this class! Ask a good friend of mine (Shane Rosson) that I was about to throw in the towel on minisprints. I was one of them that was building them things like grenades and getting 60 laps out of a engine before it self destructed! Shane told me I didn't need a built engine and he convinced me to try it another year and he sent me a engine and injection set up. That next year I won more races and consecutive championships and the most important thing it became FUN again!

Here is the Gulf Coast Mod Light Rule Book engine list that can be used for 2014

Allowable engines model years 2011 and older
*Suzuki GSXR1000 model years 2011 and older
*Honda CBR1000RR model years 2011 and older
*Yamaha YZFR1 model years 2011 and older
*Kawasaki ZX10 model years 2010 and older

2013 Star Mod Lite rule book

Model years 2011 and older may be used in this program:

Engines allowed: GSXR 1000 up to 2011
Honda CBR 1000 RR up to the year 2011
Yamaha YZFR1 up to the year 2011
Kawasaki ZX 10 up to the year 2010

Have not seen the 2014 rule book for Star yet.

I wanna run a Kawasaki 300x engine... Just once...

Rickey

We are not writing rules on IOW. We are talking about the use of more and specific rules and or the careful use of fewer and more general rules as they pertain to Mini sprint racing, and helping the class grow.

We are not going to mention the national rule and or rules specific to mega races put on by certain racing groups.

My comments and suggestions as well as others is for conversational use only. Perhaps some truth and good ideas may be gleamed from all of our responses. I have been racing mini sprints since the late 80's I think. I came in knowing I was racing people with high dollar motors and enjoyed the times when we out ran them with our stock motors.

I did not intend to cook the books. My Ebay is set up to read from highest to lowest. I simply started at the top 2013 and down motor and went down until I got to my first 2010 motor. Yep a lot of the new motors are sold Bare, There are fewer of them and the sellers have found they can make more money piece meal. A sign of the times it is a sellers market for new motors.

Because a guy invest in a new motor and attempts to develop it should he be Outlawed?? I was racing Kawasaki's when Kawasaki's wasn't cool. Come to think of it they still aren't cool, but they are pretty fast, Probably why Mark and Phil race them. Great minds all think alike, and they know what they have.

Some people will win in whatever they race and others will lose in whatever they race. That is a plain simple fact of racing. Unfortunetley the looser want to blame their performance on something else other then themselves. When all they really need to do is to pay attention, ask questions and work on putting it all together. Most racers won't be able to do it in a couple of years. Many give up first, not finding instant gratification. Racing is differed gratification, we put off today to be better tomorrow.

The way I understand ol Mini has been working at mini sprints for 20 years and is starting to figure things out. Now he wants to put forth a little effort into developing a new motor, and everybody wants to accuse him of taking advantage of them. He doesn't need this motor to be a winner, he is even taking the risk of not doing too good at first, but most people fear he will be fast right out of the box and want to shunt the development of this motor for whatever reason they can think of instead of the truth.>>>>. A simpler rule would be to outlaw Mini and let people run what they want.

Honest Dad himself

Well THAT's taken this thread a whole other direction...

Andy

We could make them legal, we have the technology. Just change around a few rules like Naturally aspirated (whatever that means), and drive train optional. I think Yamaha make something like that too. Check it out and report back, you may be on to something!!!

Did you listen to tat thing on the Dyno, sounds a little like thw "Novi" when that supercharger starts to wind up. We migh thave a problem with OSHA about hearing damage.

Honest Dad himself