[pgray]

John should be playing video games for the balance of the '09 season , IMO.

[skids59]

If Memmer was out to get attention, I would say he has accomplished his goal. As one driver, I talked with in the pits afterwards, stated,"sometimes your just better off goin' to the pits." I certainly wished he would have.I am very curious to see the outcome of what may lie ahead for John the rest of the summer.

[a tall Short fan 36]

I understand the frustration ...why was he being asked to get behind 2 cars that weren't in front of him?????? scoring error ... A lot of people would have done the same thing in this situation watch the entire heat race !!!! he should have been in 4th right???

that was my little sister Denise in the hewitt video. talk about a deer in the headlights look! lol

[nonwingnit]

Originally Posted by Big Willy WOW am i ever fixin' to get torched here but after carefully watching the video of the "race" (not the antics) I think quite a bit of blame should also fall on the MSCS for trying to impose a judgement call which has no place in racing. The only people who know exactly what goes on in a race car in any altercation are the drivers involved. What appears to an onlooker as a blatent attempt to wreck someone may only be a driver mising his line or perhaps the lead car checking up or approaching a corner differently that can cause a problem. You cannont decide intent from the flag stand nor the scoring tower. As for the call for rough driving, we miss the entry to 3 on the video but Memmer did get slightly chopped and if he was not expecting that and had to get on the brake the car could have easily picked up a push which must have been cunstrued by officials as an attempt to wreck the other car. However as the video progresses Memmer could have easily squeezed the white car coming off of 2 the following lap or for that matter taken a shot at him when they traded lines going into one yet he didn't. I did see the white car ride the red car up and over the burm which didn't look aggressive either but certainly if you asked the driver of the red car his thoughts i believe he would think the white car also should have been docked a couple of spots for his actions. My point is that you cannot make those calls ever or you'll set yourselves up for things like this to happen again. I do not agree with John's actions and am quite disappointed in his behavior. However having been 18 once myself i must admit a time or two of stupidity in my past. The most disappointing part for me is John's dad not coming to his defense and what i mean by that is not coming to get control of his son before he lost all control. I know he may have been held up and refused entry to the track by personell but if that was my son out there i don't know if a pit steward would have been able to stop me - my feelings are that they would not have.

I think there's about 12 different versions of why he was moved where if you read through all the posts on this thread.and we probably won't know the truth until an official wording comes out.

I was sitting on frontstrtch by the tower and this is what I heard/observed.

There was the triplett spin. Cars started to line back up. Memmer tried for 3rd. The officials moved him to 4th and he took some time to get there. Announcers said it was because they were going back to the last lap. In plain view of entire frontstrtch memmer flips off flagman and officials. Then it is announced because of unsportsmanlike behavior he will be docked 2 spots. For flipping the bird. No mention that I heard of rough driving. When they tried to move him back 2 for the bird he refused then took a dive at the official. Then it was announced he would be dq'd for the night. Then he threw his fit. None of the announcers I heard ever said anything about rough driving or taking out hunter.

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[farriswheel]

Originally Posted by ThrottleHead We have 2 posts that run the gammut.... you have Deans which is a great post and well said... And on to the most moronic one I have seen in a while... This one will have the part in question... Unless someone has taken the time to get to know John Memmer then they do not truly know who or how he is. His "yank the crank" does not define who he is. Have YOU taken the time to get to know Memmer, D.O.? I highly doubt it.... or else that nonsense would have not been said. Its people judging someone by what they see in a video clip who are truly pathetic. I said it about Truckers when they were needlessly bashed and will say it here.... GET TO KNOW SOMEONE FIRST BEFORE YOU ASSUME ANYTHING ABOUT THEM OR THEIR FAMILY. Dean, your post is 100% right on as they almost always are. Thanks for saying that eloquently. John..... who I do consider to be a FRIEND.... you screwed up buddy. I know you are a hot-head..... I know you are tightly wound beating your head against a wall to get that first win...... I see the frustration trying to win... but none of this excuses what you did. I sincerely hope you realize it and do whats necessary to mend the fences. I look forward to seeing you at the races again soon! In closing... the Memmers ARE good people.... take the time to find out on your own. Not everyone will like them... thats just how it is... but until you have who are YOU to judge them in any capacity??? To say someones actions are unacceptable or foolish is one thing.... the personal attacks and cheap shots are sad and pathetic. Flame away at me while you are at it..... I know certain individuals will do just that now.

I agree don, that you should judge people on your own encounters with them...on that note, I stick to my guns...I have known them since john's go-kart days and even then they were arrogant and had that "I've got money, I'm better than you mentality." I'm glad you have had positive interactions with the family...hopefully this will be a chance for them to turn over a new leaf.

The kid was way out of line, no getting around that. He knows that, we all know that.

What gets me are all the shots at his parents and the job they've done raising him. Unless you have intimate knowledge of the situation, you probably ought to keep your damn mouth shut about the job the Memmers did parenting their child. Maybe this outburst was a product of his upbringing, and maybe it wasn't. The bottom line is -- like I said -- unless you're close to the family, you have no clue. Are the parents of murderers tried in the courtroom alongside their offspring? No, and there's a reason for that: personal accountability.

It's a pretty damned big leap to take, assuming that connection. I guess it takes a smarter man than I to do it.

[illiNOISE]

Perhaps MSCS should require Memmer to help score at one of their races and to work as a corner official at another before they let him race again. Kind of an "in school" suspension, if you will.

Don't laugh, I'm serious. This way he might actually learn something from this incident. It certainly would be more productive than simply having him make some sort of contrived apology.

[D.O.]

Unless someone has taken the time to get to know John Memmer then they do not truly know who or how he is. His "yank the crank" does not define who he is. Have YOU taken the time to get to know Memmer, D.O.? I highly doubt it.... or else that nonsense would have not been said. Its people judging someone by what they see in a video clip who are truly pathetic. I said it about Truckers when they were needlessly bashed and will say it here.... GET TO KNOW SOMEONE FIRST BEFORE YOU ASSUME ANYTHING ABOUT THEM OR THEIR FAMILY.


Your right I don't know who John Memmer is off the track. But I do know who he is on the track. I've watched him drive sprints since his rookie year. He trys too hard to get that first win. I've watched him at VCS get in trouble this year and read about his troubles at other tracks. What does knowing a person have to do with seeing him "Yank his Crank"? I'm sure most of the 13,567 views here on IOW know even less than I about him away from the track. So what difference does that make? Where did I say anything about him except that many more will know him. Over 3000 people have watched the video on you tube. Most have drawn the same idea after seeing it.
Ballou did close to the same, but smart enough to attempt to fix his problem quickly.

It seems a few people what the whole deal is justified because we don't know the Memmer's. But I do know that Saturday wasn't his first time at VCS and other tracks. Maybe all the drivers should walk over to the grandstands and intoduce themselves to the fans and spend some time with them before each race. ???
How many of the paying fans can id Memmer away from his car, without his suit on??? It's that way with most drivers.

Knowing a person doesn't have anything to do with this.

[D.O.]

Don't forget to listen to Jackslash tonight.