New DII Engine rules

DAD · 10/31/15, 2:04 PM

tq

Junk yards have core engines sitting everywhere probably around 60-80 bucks>>then rebuild it and stick her in. But personally if it fit I would find a late model motor 2012 and up and not mess with the the rebuilding thing the take out motors are cheaper than rebuilding and the car makers do better work.

Honest Dad himself

jjones752 · 10/31/15, 4:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tqracer20n

Well I have a tq at the moment I looked at wheel base and I am right within the rules have thought about putting an eco tech in my car and running it as a d2 midget or my another qualifying motor per rules. So to make sure I got it the only difference between the 2 tracks is a tire rule and they can't have a a motor that would run with usac

Montpelier does allow USAC & POWRi "national" engines, but they have to weigh 1050 lbs (which is the weight for USAC and I believe POWRi) ; at Montpelier an Ecotec-powered car has no minimum weight. Motorcycle-powered cars also have no weight limit and can run 12" right rear wheel.
National motors are verboten in D-II but oddly, all shaft-driven cars have to weigh 1125 lbs, 75 lbs heavier than a national Midget. That may be a tough weight for a short-wheelbase TQ-based chassis to meet without some lead or a really bountiful Holiday season for the driver.

RickyBobby · 11/6/15, 4:55 PM

When are the rules going to be posted??

Quantrill · 11/7/15, 10:55 AM

I was told at the PRI show which is Dec 10th weekend I believe.

DaGuy · 11/8/15, 10:04 PM

Rules are up!

stew60 · 11/9/15, 5:45 AM

POWRi have already posted the new engine rules, weights etc with a complete rule book coming soon.

jjones752 · 11/9/15, 10:46 AM

So, not only did they vote out the 1400's that we were originally told would be allowed, it looks like any "grandfathering" of oil-cooled 1200's (as originally "promised") is off the table, no mention of mechanical injection for m/c engines and the ignition system that came with my car is not on the list.
Not only that, it looks like new rear rims are in order if you currently run 10's & 12's and want to comply with POWRi rules.
Montpelier looks better & better every day. I'm not thrilled that it's the only place I can run without spending a lot of money but it does simplify things...

DAD · 11/9/15, 11:33 AM

Jim

These are only a rough draft so to speak they left the back door open for changes. And I think Bear and the old time Midget people will also be racing a few more times next season. Now the Competition begins to win the hearts and souls of alternative Midget racers. Should be an interesting summer. I would almost venture to say that Mr. Hunter and company still have the best set of rules for this division?? The secret is Montpelier is about the largest track these Midgets should ever race on>>> smaller would even be better. One big secret of success is knowing how one fits into the scheme of things.

Honest Dad himself

jjones752 · 11/9/15, 1:06 PM

Yeah, I saw that "out" clause but I figure they won't do anything mid-season and I doubt any changes will favor me much, but that's OK, it'll be fun trying something a little different at the home track.
I saw somewhere that Union County's up for sale, something like 850k; if we got 100 guys to put up ten grand we could have us a place to race, and enough to buy a new generator and a few truckloads of clay. You game?

DAD · 11/9/15, 1:09 PM

Jim

Sounds like it really ain't for sale>>>>Just wishing

Honest Dad himself

View Poll Results: DII engine specs
allow cycle motors increase to 1400 cc's	16	29.09%
allow only stock cylinder head and parts no altering	20	36.36%
alllow aftermarket cam shafts	15	27.27%
allow aftermarket valves	17	30.91%
allow aftermarket valve springs	30	54.55%
allow porting	11	20.00%
allow porting in older smaller motors	10	18.18%
alllow head milling	20	36.36%
allow only stock long blocks with stock components	14	25.45%
allow aftermarket pistons	18	32.73%
allow aftermarket rods	27	49.09%
allow crank lightening	12	21.82%
allow oiling changes	27	49.09%
allow removal of balancer shafts	26	47.27%
allow wet sump only	10	18.18%
allow optonal dry sump oiling	26	47.27%
allow stock ecu only with flashing	10	18.18%
allow aftermarket ecu	19	34.55%
allow aftermarket ignition for mec injection systems	19	34.55%
allow gasoline or methanol as fuel	10	18.18%
allow methanol only (safety)	31	56.36%
allow aftermarket injection electronic	24	43.64%
allow aftermarket injection mechanical	27	49.09%
allow bore change to meet displacement	14	25.45%
allow stroke change to meet displacement	13	23.64%
allow the use of restricted older National Midget Motors	25	45.45%
allow the use of stock smaller forced induction motors as they come on line	9	16.36%
allow M/C powerd cars to remove clutch and starter	10	18.18%
Allow 2.5L Engines	17	30.91%
I have raced in a DII class in the past	19	34.55%
I am very interested in DII Midget racing	18	32.73%
keep min weight as they are 1125>1000>910>875	7	12.73%
Change min weight of auto engine cars down to 1025 lbs.	3	5.45%
Tow your car on an open trailer	5	9.09%
weiRaise the min weight to accomodate 2014 average male weight of 196 pounds	4	7.27%
allow OEM Stock VVT	9	16.36%
VVT must be disabled if aftermarket fuel injection is used	3	5.45%
no wings	5	9.09%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 55. You may not vote on this poll

10/31/15, 2:04 PM	#101 Re: New DII Engine rules
DAD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,955	tq Junk yards have core engines sitting everywhere probably around 60-80 bucks>>then rebuild it and stick her in. But personally if it fit I would find a late model motor 2012 and up and not mess with the the rebuilding thing the take out motors are cheaper than rebuilding and the car makers do better work. Honest Dad himself _________________________________________________ Last edited by DAD; 10/31/15 at 2:09 PM.

11/6/15, 4:55 PM	#103 Re: New DII Engine rules
RickyBobby Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 309	When are the rules going to be posted?? __________________ Andrew Funk #8

11/9/15, 11:33 AM	#108 Re: New DII Engine rules
DAD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,955	Jim These are only a rough draft so to speak they left the back door open for changes. And I think Bear and the old time Midget people will also be racing a few more times next season. Now the Competition begins to win the hearts and souls of alternative Midget racers. Should be an interesting summer. I would almost venture to say that Mr. Hunter and company still have the best set of rules for this division?? The secret is Montpelier is about the largest track these Midgets should ever race on>>> smaller would even be better. One big secret of success is knowing how one fits into the scheme of things. Honest Dad himself _________________________________________________ Last edited by DAD; 11/9/15 at 11:36 AM.

11/9/15, 5:45 AM	#106
stew60 Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 57	POWRi have already posted the new engine rules, weights etc with a complete rule book coming soon.

11/9/15, 1:09 PM	#110 Re: New DII Engine rules
DAD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,955	Jim Sounds like it really ain't for sale>>>>Just wishing Honest Dad himself