[Pat O'Connor Fan]

Pat, I think he is just POed because the "girl" received less punishment than the male. And unless he witnessed this situation, so how would he really know who did what to whom?

[harry123]

Pat, don't waste your time with 767. He goes around putting down everyone. He is not worth your time.

i seen it alright. im one of the guys that had to stop it.and yes i work for the guy that got the 10 race boot.

[TQ29m]

Originally Posted by Shawn J.R. (767), With all due respect, that statement is absolutely absurd! You might be fine with that in your demolition derbies, but that's not for all types of racing. By the way, I don't mind demolition derbies at all. In fact, they're pretty fun to take in from time to time. It sounds to me like they're lucky that they weren't at the Rush County Fairgrounds. A few years ago I saw a couple of drivers get put in cuffs for something that was NOWHERE close to this situation! So, in that aspect, I'd say they're pretty lucky, like "indycar45" mentioned. It might sell more tickets in NASCAR, but that's not going to sell tickets to a Regional Midget/Focus/Kenyon car event. I think that the punishment is fitting, but that's just judging by what I've read on here. You can't let them get by with that sort of thing. Some sort of punishment was needed, period.

Shawn, I believe I recall the incident you are referring to, and they were escorted off in cuffs. Problem was, that, as I recall, was the only punishment they received, no "time off", to think it over. Fines and dollar amounts don't work, but suspensions do, and even that has to be dealt with carefully, you can't let them pick and choose when they want to "sit out", it has to be administered by the organization. Bob

I didn't see it - was in the pits in the aftermath - I asked two people what happened - Don Kenyon and a friend of mine who was working on a car - and instead of going by and congratulating all the winners as I planned to do I walked straight to my car and went home and was disgusted. My part of this conversation has never been about the particulars of the situation - but merely to point out the following

a) Officials have to take action on these matters
b) Good officials use judgement in determining the respective punishments and that doesn't require uniformity
c) There are generally reasons differential punishments are handed out. In principle it means that they have determined different levels of guilt, participation, or other important contextual factors are emphasized. And I would add
d) In all cases someone is going to view this as unfair

[Pine]

But wouldn't SHE be considered the aggressor by going to HIS pit....usually the aggressor gets the stiffer penalty..:34;

As I said above - I didn't see it - I wasn't in the decisionmaking process. Again - 9 times out of 10 when I carry on about these things (and at some point I swear never to get back on this board) it is about the issue from a conceptual level - not a specific level. I have no dog in this fight whatsoever - I work for the series - I announce the race - I go home.

[Chuck]

Grammar!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RcrSkyChk]

She didn't go into his pits, she was at the scales getting weighed I believe they were approached.

[wbr]

I missed the incindent and haven't spoken to anyone about it. The only reason I am posting is we raced several years with the regional series and Don Kenyon is fair, stern, firm and private in making his decisions. If he feels one racer was further out of line than the other- they probably were and the punishment fits the crime.

why can't we all just get along...