[QUOTE=Tim;125414]

Originally Posted by john3g Mr. Gurley, Would it be possible for you to give some names and credentials of the experienced personnel who will be officiating/supervising the SCORA program at Chandler, and beyond? I believe that many competitors, myself included, had a lot of faith in Mr. Chambers and the entire group he represents. The faith we have in his group comes from several years of experience with them, both as officials and as friends. Their dedication to the sport, and the competitors, can only be characterized by me as second to none. I am pretty much a nobody in this sport, but they treat me like I matter. So, please give some names of those who will replace them, along with their credentials so that I might be able to better prognosticate how I would be treated by SCORA in the future. Tim Simmons

Sam Stockon To many years to count
John Gurley Have been active in the sport since 1972. My earliest memory.
Peggy Carmichael Long time in the racing bizz
Bill Shipman Long time in the bizz and is with the MSCS group
(Rac'n) Jason Adams He is with the MSCS group and is going to help Sunday
Jimmy Jeep Push truucks has confirmed his help.
BoB Ramey a regular SCORA Official
So I hope this answeres your question and if you change your mind and show up there is our staff.

[Wallsracing]

cant wait steak at the boat racing at chandler woooooo hoooo

Originally Posted by Wallsracing cant wait steak at the boat racing at chandler woooooo hoooo

The STEAK part SOUNDS GOOOOOOOD!! Thats the best plan I've heard so far..

[Tim]

Originally Posted by psullivan Tim, Thanks for the update - this matches what I thought. I understand that you want to race "what you have" and that some in this discussion feel commitments have been made - and I can't stress this enough - I have no dog in this fight whatsoever - and I think it is neat to take sprints cars to different places where they ordinarily do not run. Many years ago I would go to races at Savannah Missouri to watch a dozen sprint cars where fuel injection was not allowed - and I had a great time. But unless it is known for certain that there X number of steel block sprint cars out there, and that there are modified drivers that are absolutely prepared to make the jump with their steel blocks - you are betting on the come - and that's rarely a survivable business plan

Mr. Sullivan,

We knew what we were getting in for when we started coming up here in 2003. We know we would be racing against aluminum motors, and we accepted that we'd be under powered and over weight. When Mr. Stockon had the steel block series, through MSCS, in 2004, we supported it whole-heartedly, both finishing in the top five in points. Interestingly enough, there didn't seem to be a car count problem then, but many of the races were in Illinois where there was a contingent of cars. Jump to 2009, and a new program begins, which puts us back into a field we feel we can compete for wins in. The powers that be indicated that they understood 2009 would be a building year, but were committed to making the series work, even just a few days prior to the "big announcement". The committment was then "altered" to the dismay of many. My only questions on this subject had to do with whether the decisions had been supported by the Race Day Director, Joe Chambers, which, sadly, we now know they were not and Joe is no longer involved with the series.

You know, you can only be betrayed by those you put your trust in. We stated from the beginning that we'd support whan we could. Whether they feel betrayed by us is up to them to comment on. We don't feel betrayed by them because, quite frankly, we're not virgins with this series-building process, so we throttled our trust in the folks in charge of the series. The throttle was probably just shut, however, with the recent post by Mr. Chambers.

All in all, Kind of a Bummer

Tim Simmons

Originally Posted by Tim Mr. Sullivan, We knew what we were getting in for when we started coming up here in 2003. We know we would be racing against aluminum motors, and we accepted that we'd be under powered and over weight. When Mr. Stockon had the steel block series, through MSCS, in 2004, we supported it whole-heartedly, both finishing in the top five in points. Interestingly enough, there didn't seem to be a car count problem then, but many of the races were in Illinois where there was a contingent of cars. Jump to 2009, and a new program begins, which puts us back into a field we feel we can compete for wins in. The powers that be indicated that they understood 2009 would be a building year, but were committed to making the series work, even just a few days prior to the "big announcement". The committment was then "altered" to the dismay of many. My only questions on this subject had to do with whether the decisions had been supported by the Race Day Director, Joe Chambers, which, sadly, we now know they were not and Joe is no longer involved with the series. You know, you can only be betrayed by those you put your trust in. We stated from the beginning that we'd support whan we could. Whether they feel betrayed by us is up to them to comment on. We don't feel betrayed by them because, quite frankly, we're not virgins with this series-building process, so we throttled our trust in the folks in charge of the series. The throttle was probably just shut, however, with the recent post by Mr. Chambers. All in all, Kind of a Bummer Tim Simmons

I just wish we had as much concern for the series all year as we have had on this web site. We thank you for your past support and hope that all of your future racing endeavors are successful. The next few races (as stated) will be a good test for the future of the SCORA Series. None of the decisions that have been made were ever intended as a personnel attack toward anyone and I am sorry that you and some others have taken or are trying to take it as such.I will not be baited into such a confrontation. Again I thank for the support you have given us and we will miss Jake but the series will push on and if it works than great and if it fails then we can look ourselves in the mirror and say that we did the everything we could to keep the series a live and that we can proud to say we never GAVE UP. Thank you.John Gurley

[Mud Packer]

Originally Posted by Tim Mr. Sullivan, We knew what we were getting in for when we started coming up here in 2003. We know we would be racing against aluminum motors, and we accepted that we'd be under powered and over weight. When Mr. Stockon had the steel block series, through MSCS, in 2004, we supported it whole-heartedly, both finishing in the top five in points. Interestingly enough, there didn't seem to be a car count problem then, but many of the races were in Illinois where there was a contingent of cars. Jump to 2009, and a new program begins, which puts us back into a field we feel we can compete for wins in. The powers that be indicated that they understood 2009 would be a building year, but were committed to making the series work, even just a few days prior to the "big announcement". The committment was then "altered" to the dismay of many. My only questions on this subject had to do with whether the decisions had been supported by the Race Day Director, Joe Chambers, which, sadly, we now know they were not and Joe is no longer involved with the series. You know, you can only be betrayed by those you put your trust in. We stated from the beginning that we'd support whan we could. Whether they feel betrayed by us is up to them to comment on. We don't feel betrayed by them because, quite frankly, we're not virgins with this series-building process, so we throttled our trust in the folks in charge of the series. The throttle was probably just shut, however, with the recent post by Mr. Chambers. All in all, Kind of a Bummer Tim Simmons

Tim,

I have been following this thread and have some questions. I have "no dog in this fight" so the decisions won't affect me one way or the other. Starting in the beginning, I thought this was a great idea and it could give some lower budget racers an opportunity to race in a series. In looking at the original schedule, I was kind of amazed that they would try to make this work travel wise. I still feel this concept has merit but here are some questions for you or anyone else who might care to elaborate.

1)Are there enough steel block sprint cars out there today to adequately supply this type of racing?

2)If you had a three year plan, would you attract enough modified drivers, street stock drivers, etc. to jump on board and increase the number of cars available?

3)I commented earlier that if you had a couple of tracks be the cornerstone for the series, would that help with reduced travel...higher car count? I mentioned maybe contacting Joe Spiker and seeing about running Lincoln Park & Danville once each month from April to September. That would be a 12 race schedule and maybe fill in a few more dates elsewhere. Would that work?

4)In your opinion, what does it now take to make this "idea" continue and flourish in the future?

I am not trying to bash anyone and from a spectators point would like some drivers, fans, sponsors, officials, opinions. I realize that "weekend warriors" have regular jobs and sometimes it isn't feasible to make the races every time. If cars get torn up it sometimes takes a little while to get them fixed and back at the track.

Tim,

I have no idea really what the conversations were then and now - I'm just not sure it can work - I'm certain you know this a lot better than I do. My original question was really how much cheaper is the steel block over the aluminum block in the long run. As near as I can tell the answer was not a whole lot. If I am correct (and I do realize the competitive advantages issues in terms of weight) then in order for this to work you either have to have (a) numbers on the supply side or (b) there are other rules issues that keep costs low for everyone and makes it affordable. I'm totally ignorant on both points. I can only ASSUME that the decision to change the rules for this race is related to (a) above - i.e. a lack of numbers. So if the series was to continue on a steel block platform there must be an increase in numbers other changes to rules (such as weight rules) to level the playing field. To be honest, why I am interested is that at all forms of racing a balance has to be struck at some level between cost, speed, and competition. This is true at every level (see the BCRA post) and this is an issue that is sure to come to the fore given the issue of car counts at major midget races like Belleville. These issues are always tough - I announced an IRL pro series race at Milwaukee and we had like 11 or 12 cars and stacked four up on the first turn of the first lap - I thought "this series is doomed", But low and behold it really grew numbers wise and became viable. I completely understand how a series like this would appeal to a lot of people who love to race and want to feel as if they can be competitive.

[chadyracing]

John, Please understand that we fully intend to be at Charleston next weekend. There have been a lot of delays for us this year in getting the car ready and it has been a scramble this week trying to get ready. Some things did not come together as we had hoped. We were still going to race knowing that the car would not be correct (fuel injection) just to be making laps. As of right now we have not yet heard this engine run. With the present uncertainty we decided it would be best for us to wait until next weekend with everything dialed in properly. I hope the show goes well and we will see you next weekend.
Dan Chady

Originally Posted by chadyracing John, Please understand that we fully intend to be at Charleston next weekend. There have been a lot of delays for us this year in getting the car ready and it has been a scramble this week trying to get ready. Some things did not come together as we had hoped. We were still going to race knowing that the car would not be correct (fuel injection) just to be making laps. As of right now we have not yet heard this engine run. With the present uncertainty we decided it would be best for us to wait until next weekend with everything dialed in properly. I hope the show goes well and we will see you next weekend. Dan Chady

I totally understand and look forward to meeting you and I hope you can make it to Chandler to watch.John Gurley

[Motormasher]

I don't understand what kind of test you think this is gonna prove?

Open race paying $600 to win.

What are we going to get from these last few races?

Next week is a Saturday race with 4 other tracks running.

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