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dirt midget (Offline)
  #51 3/30/09 12:13 AM
You're right Rocket5612! Brad Loyet is the ONLY one that has ever done a slide job and hit someone else doing it! I definitely see him in the pits "hiding" behind his father, and he has now learned a lesson and will no longer drive on the edge! I now see your point and agree that if somone uses their bumper, get out and punch them! In fact, I think that the fans should be encouraged to slug the guy next to them if they do not like the guy they are cheering for! POWRi made the decision to penalize Loyet! Good Job! Next time maybe the drivers should stay in their car and wait for those in charge to make the call, not use their bumper to drive over someone after the checkered flag and punch them! "The good drivers can do that!" I'm finished commenting on this subject because Brad Loyet and Brad Kuhn have both probably forgotten the "disagreement" at this point. Everyone will have their own opinion and that is why we have this forum to express the opinions we have! I hope Loyet and Kuhn are both at the next race I attend and good luck to both drivers!
ClaytonYeley (Offline)
  #52 3/30/09 12:30 AM
Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE:
My thoughts on the night....

It was a great race.

Brad Kuhn has become one of the best shoes around and he and Felker used a motor to win last night that some wouldn't even use in the sportsman series.

Brad Loyet and his family are great people. He doesn't have an "unsafe" attitude, he wants to win the same as everyone else there. As far as getting into guys, I don't think he is the first guy to ever do that.

Both desrved the win and there is nothing wrong with showing emotion.

Hines was the fastest car on the track the last 10 laps and if it where a fifty lapper he would have been the winner. Then again if it had been a 20 lapper Siner would have won.

I wish Don would have been there. I really did miss talking to him.

Coons had a rare off night and I wish Clauson could have been able to stay up front.

Hud Cone and Travis Berryhill where fun to watch.

I love that track. That is a fun place to see a race at. I was glad to see that they had a big crowd.
This is a better summary of the night then the one I made up last night (mine didn't have too much thought to it due to it being 2 am).

Let me say that I like both Brad's and think they are both good drivers. I just wish the officials would not have gotten involved in it. Both Brad's preformed similar actions therefore they shouldn't penalize one and not the other (keep in mind Loyet came across the line first). Anyways it's over now and it was a great event and Kuhn is the winner of the race. I hope the mini mile will be hosting midget racing for a long time because it is a great track. The only question I have is, when is the next race?:thumb
rocket5612
  #53 3/30/09 8:17 AM
Thanks for the sarcasm. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just expressing opinions as you have. But, in the old days when you had to be 21 or above and then later 18 and above to drive a midget guys likes A.J. Foyt and Sleepy Tripp and the like WOULD get out of their car and come over and not just SLUG a driver that did what Brad Loyet did, they would beat the s*it out of them, or find them at an off race track site and take care of it. Today, the young kids have the luxury of hiding befind not only their fathers but also the officials. You also keep denying one fact and that is that Brad Kuhn's actions were in retaliation of someone elses improper actions that at the time he thought cost him a win, a win that he had 100% earned. Again reiterating what I have said previously, thank you to Powri for standing up and making the right call.

Originally Posted by dirt midget:
You're right Rocket5612! Brad Loyet is the ONLY one that has ever done a slide job and hit someone else doing it! I definitely see him in the pits "hiding" behind his father, and he has now learned a lesson and will no longer drive on the edge! I now see your point and agree that if somone uses their bumper, get out and punch them! In fact, I think that the fans should be encouraged to slug the guy next to them if they do not like the guy they are cheering for! POWRi made the decision to penalize Loyet! Good Job! Next time maybe the drivers should stay in their car and wait for those in charge to make the call, not use their bumper to drive over someone after the checkered flag and punch them! "The good drivers can do that!" I'm finished commenting on this subject because Brad Loyet and Brad Kuhn have both probably forgotten the "disagreement" at this point. Everyone will have their own opinion and that is why we have this forum to express the opinions we have! I hope Loyet and Kuhn are both at the next race I attend and good luck to both drivers!
dirtracin28
  #54 3/30/09 6:39 PM
First off Brad Kuhn is the biggest cry baby in the pits! Second I know Brad Loyet is the younger of the two Brads and acted like the bigger man in the situation. There was nothing wrong with the pass that Brad made. Tell me why Kuhn didn't protect the bottom or tap the brakes and drive right back under Loyet to take the win. Tell me why a little rr to lf contact is so bad. There isn't a person in the stands that attended the races last year that didn't want to come back because of Loyet. Did anyone not see the Bud Oval Nationals this year? Hockett says in his RACE WINNING interview that he probly didn't make any friends tonight but he didn't come to make friends he came to win. Hmmmmmmmm I bet he had some dirty slide jobs. BTW I didn't see Loyet standing behind his dad after the races. I saw a guy who drove his ass off by running Kuhn down from a straightaway back and having the race taken away from him. For all you Brad Kuhn fans I bet anything that he would have done the same thing and you guys would think he was the best racecar driver ever. End of story!
rocket5612
  #55 3/30/09 7:58 PM
I am going to say one last thing on this thread and then I am going to move on. Why is it that some on here seem to think that the last lap of a race is so much safer than the previous laps? Taking out other drivers to win a race is unacceptable in this sport(in my gracious opinion). This sport is dangerous enough as it is. Didn't we lose Dale Earnhardt on the LAST LAP of the Daytona 500 and he wasn't even fighting for the win?? Not to mention the loss of another driver on the last lap in 1990 that openwheel racing held dear to its heart. Driving unsafe on ANY lap is still unsafe. This goes for after the checkered flag as well. The one thing Brad Kuhn did that was wrong, in my opinion, was spinning Brad Loyet out after the checkered. What if he had gone over instead, landing upside down, and been hit in the cage by the guys running for third at full throttle? These things happen enough by sheer coincidence lets try to keep them from happening on purpose.

Originally Posted by Tim Watson:
IT'S RACING!!!!! Little hard to tell by the speed of the video at the end but come on everybody it's the last lap and throwing on a slider if you are running 2nd is the norm for any driver. To me throwing a punch is worse than throwing a slider. :icon_smile_blackeye
Charles Nungester (Offline)
  #56 3/30/09 8:06 PM
Originally Posted by rocket5612:
I am going to say one last thing on this thread and then I am going to move on. Why is it that some on here seem to think that the last lap of a race is so much safer than the previous laps? Taking out other drivers to win a race is unacceptable in this sport(in my gracious opinion). This sport is dangerous enough as it is. Didn't we lose Dale Earnhardt on the LAST LAP of the Daytona 500 and he wasn't even fighting for the win?? Not to mention the loss of another driver on the last lap in 1990 that openwheel racing held dear to its heart. Driving unsafe on ANY lap is still unsafe. This goes for after the checkered flag as well. The one thing Brad Kuhn did that was wrong, in my opinion, was spinning Brad Loyet out after the checkered. What if he had gone over instead, landing upside down, and been hit in the cage by the guys running for third at full throttle? These things happen enough by sheer coincidence lets try to keep them from happening on purpose.

I shouldn't get involved but if you watch the Earnhardt crash. He was clearly blocking and the accident wasn't from agreessive driving. If you purelly mean from a racing is dangerous standpoint then I'll agree. The taking out has become way to common However I will not condem someone seeing a legitemate shot for a win and taking it as long as their willing to take the reproducutions when its done wrongly.

Charles Nungester
rhk3 (Offline)
  #57 3/30/09 8:15 PM
You guys all have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands. Besides being hit by Brad wouldn't hurt, have you seen that hot pocket lover in action???????
75crew
  #58 3/30/09 8:46 PM
the actions by both brads may or may not be acceptable in the racing eye but seeing brad loyet's actions after the race have made me lose all respect for him. working on another midget there that night i happened to see Loyet take his transponder off of his car and throw it at the POWRi ladies. that is not acceptable. then while loading his car into the trailer Nick Knepper confronted Loyet about throwing the transponder. Than when Nick was turning around to walk away Loyet shoved him into a mud puddle. He then hid behind his daddy when the cops arrived. this is not something done by a gentleman or a nice guy.
NoWingsPlease
  #59 3/30/09 10:49 PM
I go to many POWRI shows and enjoy them greatly. I know the Browns, Kneppers, Siners, Loyets, and everybody else in POWRI. Good people and good families. I watched Brad Kuhn dump Brett Anderson at Belle-Clair, Nick Knepper use Derrick Meyers for traction at Macon, Justin Allgaier drive through Ricky Erghott until he flipped him. I do not believe that any penalties were handed down in those instances, but now we have contact from a slide job that did not bend a piece of a car and we disqualify the driver. Both drivers are aggressive and Kuhn would admit he would have done the same thing. I think the quote at Belle-Clair about the Anderson incident was, "Sometimes you are the windshield and sometimes you are the bug.

I belive if I had a win taken away I would be upset too. Coming over to confront a driver at his trailer about something you were not involved probably was not the brightest idea on Nick's part. I like Nick, good kid, but just as aggressive as Loyet and knows how to crash himself as well as others. Brad Kuhn know his way around the roll bars. Just ask Benic about Pennsylvania. I have seen him tear up plenty of stuff in some not so bright moves. Anyone who drives open wheel cars long enough and runs hard will tear stuff up and take a few chances. I am not ripping on Kuhn, he is good but no choir boy.

Here is my question. What will POWRI do when they go to Macon and Belle-Clair and there are 7 slide jobs per lap? Will each driver be penalized when another car is touched. At these two tracks it is the only way to pass. If you cant throw sliders without the risk of being disqualified the racing will be extremely lame. I really hope it does not come down to who throws the slide job as compared to who receives them.
dirtracin28
  #60 3/30/09 11:07 PM
Good Post! I am sure Powri will something out of their a## to screw someone else over. I guess no one likes good hard racing anymore.
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