[Osborn]

This will probably hit a soft spot for some people but I don't care. In my opinion, if the purse is not raised and your not running for at least 1200 to win, then basically your starting a Paragon traveling series. I have been reading every single post and there have been some very good ideas. But if you don't raise that winning purse, your going to be promoting a group of racers that are going to be tough to promote. Give the people in the stands someone to root for. Now I'm not saying lets get USAC racers to spot in this series, (thats what ruined sprintcar racing) but I do believe to help this series grow you (from a promotor standpoint) are going to want to see a majority of your promotable local teams come over. I completely agree with keeping the competiton fair and close. Put the simple steel block motor in the car, limit the horsepower, put a weight rule on the cars minus driver to keep the titanium parts away and throw the green. :greenflag:

[Motormasher]

Hey Os,
IF I understand Sam correctly, there is $200 extra money to the winner if he is in the top 10 in points. Aslo Sam already stated that this is JUST A STARTING POINT to get this series rolling. But don't forget the reason Sam is trying to start this series, its for the blue collar racer ON A LOW BUDGET.
I know this is a for the most part this is a "non wingy" web site but I as a driver would still rather drive a winged sprint over a non wingy any day. Im tired of all the "trick" parts you have to buy to keep up in the "non wingy" thingy.
I hope this series takes off with firm roots in the ground and stays focussed on its intentions.

[slide22]

Needs to be atleast 1000 to win. you can race a mini sprint for a lot cheaper racing for 1000 to win.

[sprinterfan]

Osborn

you make a good point,, and i can see the vision you have. your wanting a good tough competitive series thats under a blanket. nothing wrong with that and your right, restricted rules like this series would have anybody could win, it would make it a very exciting series to keep up on. i dont know why everyone is looking the other direction on payout. i dont think they understand that under the hood they would have the same as every competitor. it would come down to driver and setup. do they lack confidence? to be able to whipe the rust off the wheels, there needs to be a decent payout, no questions asked. yes this is designed for a low budget blue colar whatever kind of racer, news flash, everyone is low budget. the only difference is some teams have kids daddy's that pay them, some teams have sponsors, and some teams have neither. a lot of the top teams are closing the doors every single year. a series like this could revive that if you made the right moves. i can tell you right now 600 to win isn't going to cut it.

[Al Soran]

I'll jump in again, because I was one of those guys who raced my iron block against all the aluminum blocks in the 90's and got my helmet handed to me weekly, and there were a hand full of us there every week. $600 to win won't draw your big names. No doubt. I think that is the point. On any given night at a race that pays $1200 to win, there are 19 or so guys who aren't going to take that check home, and there are 10 or more who are going to get the "to start" money. Now if we are looking at a steel block series, I think it is safe to assume that the guys who would even consider such a deal are not the high rollers of the sport, and if they aren't, chances are, they were NEVER the guy taking home the $1200 to win. They got the $75-$150 to show up or whatever the amount. They also are not the guys who can afford to tow all over the state(s) for the $150. They just cannot afford it. So, my suggestion is to pay well to the guy who shows up. You might be surprised to see how many do when they know they have most if not all of their fuel and pit pass money covered. I know modern day sprint car racing is not about who is the most talented. It has moved away from who is the best driver, mechanic, manager, and salesman (to a degree), to for the most part, who has the most money. I don't believe that is what the spirit of this group is intended to be. This series sounds like it's for the guys who want to be a part of it without going broke, or commiting to something where they know before the green flag ever drops, that they don't have a chance of even cracking the top ten. This series has a lot of potential. I just hope it doesn't all end up about the money. If I can tow to wherever USA and race against big money for big money and most likely come away will next to nothing, or tow to wherever and know I'm going to get at least $XXX for showing up,.....I don't have to think long about it. Maybe I'm way off base here. However they decide to run this deal, I wish them the very best, and much success.

And I'll stick my nose in again. We didn't put more money on the win, but we picked up the purse on all positions on back. This seemed to breed some respect into the racers and it cleaned up the show considerably. The big thing was, we weren't wrecking cars and the guys from 10 to 20th had enough money to come back next week. At the end of the year, our car count was up! Including a lot of wingy guys that were tired of busting their but for nothing.

[TQ29m]

Originally Posted by Ricochet Racing And I'll stick my nose in again. We didn't put more money on the win, but we picked up the purse on all positions on back. This seemed to breed some respect into the racers and it cleaned up the show considerably. The big thing was, we weren't wrecking cars and the guys from 10 to 20th had enough money to come back next week. At the end of the year, our car count was up! Including a lot of wingy guys that were tired of busting their but for nothing.

Any room for another "nose"? That's, the payoff, is something I've been arguing about for several years, but it seems to be locked in on "winning". I feel like anytime, anyone spends the money to put on a "show", he/she should be rewarded. My argument has always been, "how many seats, in the stands, are full, just because of one car/driver"? And, how hollow a win is, when you are competing against maybe 10-15 other drivers. The guys that are there every event, and sometimes never make a feature, are the guys who are paying the purse, and bringing fans into the pits and stands, without THEM, there would be no reason to have a race, it could be done with a coin toss. I'd like to see the purse, be it Sprints, Tin Tops, minis, Tq's, whatever, spread all over the piece of toast, not just on one end, that's what, in my humble opinion, keeps the average racer, coming back, and supporting the track, or club, or whatever. If you feel like $600.00 to win, and break it down slowly, til you cover the field, that took the time and money to appear, is sufficient, then do it, I'd say you'll have a good following, the winner, still is the winner, and 2nd thru the guy that goes home early, still get a share of the "show", and don't even think about quitting, as they travel back home. Thanks! Bob:respect:

[6565]

To add to what TQ29m said, Consider going back to paying for the heats. $75/50/25 first three spots each heat. Goes a long way toword spreading a little money out to everyone.

[SamSr32]

TQ29 that is the way the SCORA Sprint Series payoff is set up. 600 instead of 1000 to win, but the money is through the field with 150 to start the feature not just 100. Been around along time and my later years of compeating I was a field filler and always complained about the same thing. The number of cars that show up at every race, but stand little chance of running up front still need money to continue paying expenses. Sam Stockon Sr.

[TQ29m]

Originally Posted by SamSr32 TQ29 that is the way the SCORA Sprint Series payoff is set up. 600 instead of 1000 to win, but the money is through the field with 150 to start the feature not just 100. Been around along time and my later years of compeating I was a field filler and always complained about the same thing. The number of cars that show up at every race, but stand little chance of running up front still need money to continue paying expenses. Sam Stockon Sr.

Sam, as far as I'm concerned, that's where the problem exists, you ever hear a "winner", squeal, after being a "filler"? Here's the thing, whether you think it or not, some drivers "know", their chances of being a "winner", are slim to none, but to have that "rubbed in", by not getting a part of the share of the purse, eventually leaves a bad taste in your mouth, on the way home, and it becomes harder to get that car ready, to go back, and take that financial beating again. Bob