Very interesting debate.other than when I was front row,I've never looked at the flagman at the start.I look at the pole sitters left rear ,when he lights it ,it's GO TIME....The flagman can decide if the front row did it right ,I usually have my hands full with that raging beast I'm holding on to.......

THANK YOU! THATS WHAT I SAID! :checkered:

This one is for you SUPERDUKE. Jack Hewitt on the subject. Rated R

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tAJtnl_1bQ

I HAVE SEEN AND HEARD THE BEST FROM ALL THE HEWITTS! JACK WAS THE BEST AT JUMPING THE GUN! AND GOT A WAY WITH IT A LOT!:checkered:

The most common way to restart 'em down here was by the starter using the green lights as he waved the flag. The racer could use whatever green light that he had the best view of as they were located at various points around the track. :greenflag:

If the flagman is starting the race you need to be able to see him, your reaction time might be better than the guy infront of you and if you can pass when it drops and get a better fire than the guy in front of you thats one more car passed before you get to turn 1, thats why seeing him is an issue, if he is the starter and not the pole sitter

I'll give you another reason why the current starting process is flawed. Say you are sitting about three rows deep in the field coming through 3 and 4 for the start. Not only are you trying to watch for the flagman to wave the green but your trying to keep from beating the rear bumper off the car in front of you plus the guy running next to you. This method I think came from the flagmans North Vernon days.

Honestly in the 3 L-Burg races I have been to this year I've seen more miscues on starts then should be happening. These guys are trying to anticipate what the flagman is going to do and it causes nothing more than beat up bumpers and accordian affects on the guys in the middle and back.

USAC has a pretty good system where you have two cones. When you get to the first cone you increase your speed slightly and when you hit the second cone it's game on. No passing until you get past the second cone. If you take off before you get to the second cone you get one more shot and then go backwards. If the flagman likes the pass the polesitter is setting and sees that he started the race at the appropriate spot then he waves the green. If the start is jumped by the pole or outside pole guy then he throws the yellow after the first corner.

Everyone complains about how late programs are running so if you want the best of both worlds you need to put a system in place where the leader gets to a designated cone and can take off. The guys in back know where it is and they know that they can't pass the guy in front of them until they are past that so there is no guessing which leads to bumper tag.

<Puts on his helmet and awaits SUPERDUKES tirade about the way things used to be>

I always thought the pole sitter should start anytime between two cones in 4. It's worked for years, This system to me isn't working very well.

Not a *****, Just a observation

:redflag:YOUR NOT TO PASS ANYBODY TILL YOU GO BUY THE STARTING LINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THATS WHAT THE STARTING LINE IS FOR! IF THEY WANT YOU TO START IN 3 & 4 THEY WOULD PUT IT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!! LIKE I SAID ITS OUT OF HAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

good thinking!