[DAD]

Originally Posted by Wayne Davis just throwing this out there off their website,,,,"The 2016 Point Fund is $7000.00 dollars and contingencies to be divided up among the Top 10"...that could help... Speed 2 what is their payout?

Wayne

Was that 10" a Freudian slip?

Honest Dad himself

[Avon Open Wheel fan]

From the standpoint of someone trying to start a new Series the Midwest Lightning Midget Series its not as simple as demanding a big purse from promoters. My first gosl was to build a schedule. Some of our races may only pay 300 to win with 60 to start but that's based on a 15 car field not a 20 car field. This is a realistic number I feel for a first year series.

Now we also plan to have several 100 to start and 500 to win races with a 15 car minimum so we have a range of purses.

we are not charging membership or guest fees just a ten dollar pill draw fee. This helps offset some of the normal cost and lower purses. To race a National series you also have to consider the nightly cost and annual fees to race not just what you put into the cost of the car.

Bottom line D2 racing is very new to the midwest and it will take time to build it up.

[TQ29m]

Jay, I fully understand your position, believe me, I've been there. My concern is getting a viable, realistic, common sense rules package together, post haste, as you have read my concerns about a junk yard "stock" motor, and the realistic views of how one controls this "stock" item, and as we have discussed before, my feeling is not to cast it in stone, but leave a little room for items that crop up down the road, my feelings are clear, KISS, make it a "stock Appearing" engine rule, allowing for popup pistons, good aftermarket rods, and performance cams, my concern is this, if you turn 20 or so of these loose, and they turn out to be like the old West Bend 820 go kart class, I don't see many people getting excited about them, and it doesn't cost that much more, to build a mildly modified engine anyway, same parts, only slightly different cost, and you wouldn't believe the things people went thru, to make the US820 West Bend just a tad better, people were actually stretching the rods, to gain more compression, it was unbelievable what lurks in minds of men, when it comes to racing, and having an advantage, as long as the head stays stock, no port work, just a rebuild valve job and springs, no stroker kits, no overbore over .030, and the other mentioned items, and you can have an affordable engine package, for under 3k, plus the non-consumable parts like injection, and whatever you decide for oiling, wet sump, or dry sump, no on board engine management magic boxes, just simple ignition stuff that can be bought for $150.00, and adapted, I plan on using one for a 4 cyl motorcycle, no muss, no fuss. I know this is more than you had planned on, just run the D2 rules and let it happen, but in my days of "stock" class anything, I've seen more money spent, than I could waste if I drank, it's foolish the extent folks will go to to get and edge, I have more to say, but I think enough has already been said, I just wanted to get this much off my chest, I got into TQ's, because of the rules they had, perfect as far as I was concerned, but now I'm afraid that may be gone, just sayin! Bob

[Andrew S. Quinn]

"We're partners. You (promoter Ken Squire) risk your money.I risk my life." -- Ed Flemke

[DAD]

Bob

Last I checked Jay had a very liberal almost non existent rule plan basically only banning national Motors of any age. So you should fall in there. I remember them 820's one liked to killed me.

My way of thinking is "KEEP THEM PORTS STOCK AS CAST" and everything should fall in place. A very easy check with a bore scope.

Other easy bore scope checks would be

1. Cranks

2.Rods

3.Piston crowns

The new bore scopes will even take a pic and put it on your computer, then it is simply as what the little boy told the little girl.

4. Some people just are way over concerned about engine modifications.

Honest Dad himself

[Backitin]

Originally Posted by Avon Open Wheel fan From the standpoint of someone trying to start a new Series the Midwest Lightning Midget Series its not as simple as demanding a big purse from promoters. My first gosl was to build a schedule. Some of our races may only pay 300 to win with 60 to start but that's based on a 15 car field not a 20 car field. This is a realistic number I feel for a first year series. Now we also plan to have several 100 to start and 500 to win races with a 15 car minimum so we have a range of purses. we are not charging membership or guest fees just a ten dollar pill draw fee. This helps offset some of the normal cost and lower purses. To race a National series you also have to consider the nightly cost and annual fees to race not just what you put into the cost of the car. Bottom line D2 racing is very new to the midwest and it will take time to build it up.

I wouldn't get what The MLMS series is trying to accomplish confused with a series that might be more there to hone D-1 talent.
If you race for fun I don't know how many more options you can get then with the series Tinder is starting.
I cant help but wonder if having the word midget in the title of the series hurts more than helps.
Racers Race, was my dads favorite sayin.

[chrismattlin]

No intention of bashing, but this blows me away:
I raced karts in the mid-90's for purses similar to this!

[TQ29m]

DAD, I own one of those bore scopes, and they are handy for lots of things! Bob

[Backitin]

Originally Posted by TQ29m DAD, I own one of those bore scopes, and they are handy for lots of things! Bob

Yeah man.

[Backitin]

Originally Posted by chrismattlin No intention of bashing, but this blows me away: I raced karts in the mid-90's for purses similar to this!

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