[DAD]

Originally Posted by polecar so where can someone buy one of these new engines? and how much?

Pole

Find them at your friendly local salvage yard for a few hundred bucks or buy a turn key ready to race brand new crate version for about $10,000.00 or somewhere in between. Wonder what Revolution racing is doing>>>> they used to be the point people on Echotecs.

Honest Dad himself

[TQ29m]

Well, it sure didn't take long to derail that little bit of encouraging news, is it the weather, or a "turf" war, it seems as though the old adage falls as soon as something positive hits the forum, sheesh, give it a break, sounds to me with some informed input, it just might work around this part of the country! Bob

[jjones752]

Originally Posted by polecar so where can someone buy one of these new engines? and how much?

Check with Tracy Hull with IMRA, Johnny Murdock @ BAM (racing associations who would be happy to point you in the right direction), or SET Racing & MWR, who sell Ecotec packages. You can either buy a motor "prepped" with all of the plumbing, headers etc. for up to around $7,000 (a bargain for a Midget engine), or try you luck at Pic-a-part for about $450 and work out the fussy bits yourself.
I've seen a few complete DMA (Quad-4) midgets from New England for sale on Hoseheads for 5-7 grand, too.

[jjones752]

Dad, I think Keith Iaia (Revolution, ex-SCREAM) got discouraged with the ******** and is doing something else...

[tandtinc2424]

They already have in the IRS (Just can't get used to saying that without a shudder) and the IMRA they probably have 40 to 50 cars ready to go. Sure wish they would include Chains also.

The ENGLER IMRA midget series has always included the chain drive cars. And the same with the illini series. Let's give it a little time and see what the guys from BADGER come up with on rules.

Tracy hull
ENGLER IMRA MIDGET SERIES

[DAD]

Jim

I think you are right. Having a good idea is but one small part of bring that idea to fruition. Seems to me like he was on IOW not too long ago. A man ahead of his time.

Honest Dad himself

[Charles Nungester]

Originally Posted by jjones752 Charles, I think Brad was referring to t, Foo many Midget "Champions" diluting the meaning of the word; it is pretty confusing when you have Dirt, Pavement and Overall Focus champions in the East Coast, Midwest and West Coast, plus the National Dirt, Pavement & Overall, plus the Western States D.P.&O. Makes it a little like T-ball where nobody keeps score and everybody gets a trophy. But that has nothing to do with engine rules.

Yeah, I get what he was saying but the same thing goes for number of classes IMHO. TQ's, 600 Mini's 1000 Mini's 1200 Mini's, Focus, D2, Kenyon etc. Now you got what fans that will follow them divided up into 7 different divisions and Racers that race divided up the same way.

[MWRmgr1010]

We here at MWR offer the Chevy Ecotec, we just got back from Tulsa with a 3rd and 8th place finish. We have a complete package that bolts into an existing national car without moving crank centerline. The Ecotec pattern can re-drill over any national engine. We use electromotive efi with either plenium or individual runner intake. The package complete with ps, fuel pump, alternator, header, plug and play harness and crank adapter for 9k and runs with the best in the country!

[Wayne Davis]

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester Yeah, I get what he was saying but the same thing goes for number of classes IMHO. TQ's, 600 Mini's 1000 Mini's 1200 Mini's, Focus, D2, Kenyon etc. Now you got what fans that will follow them divided up into 7 different divisions and Racers that race divided up the same way.

The D-2 is made up of 2/3rds of those combined to race as 1 entity. Focus/1000/1200/Keyon/Ecotec and sprinkle in your older 166 nationals engines with hardened RR and min. rear tire pressures they all become 1 group... D-II....

Race under your own banner all within the confines of set of rules...The IMRA and the SSMS have all the same rules except 1...the 2.0/focus cars needing help. I (SSMS) allow head work to the focus and IMRA does not....with that extra 34 lbs hanging in front of the motor plate and a max.176 HP, I do feel they need help and over the next year hopefully we will get that resolved where we are 100% the same on rules. Tracy has been a great person to work with and looking forward to work with him and the IMRA in the future.

[Kuhn74]

Chuck understood what I was saying, I only used the Championship thing as an example of the past and how it became watered down. There are too many names, too many divisions and too much confusion for the fans. Its like everytime someone gets pissed off about not being competitive or getting out spent, they spun off a new division with a new set of rules. IMO none of it has been good for midget racing as a whole. Especially when it isnt a midget and you call it a midget. That is my opinion, you may not agree.

Sarcasim is my second language for the guy that was laying it on thick. My point with the "safety concerns" was obviously on a higher level than what you were able to fathom. I was considering it from an insurance perspective. Your traditional clubs have always been enclosed drivelines. That is what they are used to insuring and they know the risks. The (3) major sanctioning bodies have better insurance and higher expectations than your local "run what you brung" type tracks. Sorry for bringing that into your chain drive discussion. IMO you need to draw the line somewhere. I dont think asking a guy to put a driveline in his car is too much. Once again, that is my opinion.

My guess is that if anyone with a chain drive actually wants to put up or shut up and compete with Badger, the club will probably let you. They have allowed some in the past when car counts were low.