[Phylo82]

I have the same concerns with the scales.....I have heard the comment that we are all using the same scales but in reality that statement is not true. If the scales have moved, slid to a different patch of gravel, etc. they will not give the same readings from one car to the next. They need to be on a solid level surface....and, as George mentioned, preferably in the same location each race.
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[racer22r]

Originally Posted by Mike M 67 Why dont they just use the scales at Lawrenceburg? Dont they weigh the modifieds in that building? Why could they not weigh the mini sprints there. Mike

the building that the scales are in at lawrenceburg doesnt have a tall enough door way so somone would have to stand there and lower the wings on the cars as they came into the door, and i could just see the arguement if someone forgot to let a wing down and it ripped the side boarb off.

[DAD]

Wish we had that problem we carry more than enough extra weight so we don't have to make all those trips to the scale . I remember in 600's it was 750 lbs car and driver at thunder valley and we had to add weight. Those were the good old days, but we grew up. The way I see it 8 lbs is not going to affect the outcome one way or the other, now 50 lbs will and a lot of us weigh over 1/2 a ton across the scale, makes it hard to run up front. If you are good you can but a poor guy starting out will probably say to hell with it in a year or so and quit. Take him and the kids just moving thru and it's hard to build car count. One gallon of fuel is 8 lbs make the min weight 762-770 for fuel set your car up to 770 and stop fighting the ounces. When and if you come up light ask for the scale holder to be removed and weigh directly off of the ground the wheel weight % will be way off but the car weight will be spot on. Wish I would have thought of that a few years ago, at times they are also measure the spring rate of the scale holder. If the raise the scale holder up and slip a 2x4 under the middle of the ramps before they weigh you, you know you got problems.

[suzuki756]

I never understood why the burg put scales in that building with small doors they can't weigh any wing cars. But I think they only use for the mods anyways and phil loves mods as much as I do
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[Phylo82]

Originally Posted by racer22r the building that the scales are in at lawrenceburg doesnt have a tall enough door way so somone would have to stand there and lower the wings on the cars as they came into the door, and i could just see the arguement if someone forgot to let a wing down and it ripped the side boarb off.

That would not be good! I remember one time I was in a hurry to get the car in the trailer when rain was starting to come down. Unfortunately I forgot to take the wing off first!

[AJ_Engines]

Here is the ILSS website. On the home page the is a flyer about the Oct. 1st race as well as contact information for the series.

http://illinoislss.webs.com/

Also here is the Peoria Speedway's website as well.

http://peoriaspeedway.com/

AJ

[Bill May]

In response to the thread originator, minispeed,
This past sat. Aug. 27th the MMSA had 17 cars at Brownstown, the Waynesfield track had 16 cars and the Amsa had 15 at K-C, a total of 48
In which case, 3 cars received 1st place money, 3 cars received 2nd place money right on down the finish order,had all of these cars been at a single track 28 cars would have went home without running a feature and consequentley very little or no payout at all, while the top 20 received regular payout, the bottom 28 left dissapointed, some may not return next week or never after a few weeks of dissapoimtment.
The mini sprints were (and are) a support class at all 3 tracks, promoters don't provide a lot of money for support classes, Waynesfield and Brownstown ran 6 classes and K-C 4 sat nite, outside sponsors help increase the purse sometimes and are very much appreciated by all.
The mini sprint class is by & large a development division for advanced open wheel racers, or in some case it's what racers enjoy and can afford. I'm not aware of any track where mini sprints are the premier class with a payout better than what we have now.
Just a little background info. for comparision, several years ago, when I ran the Buckeye Mini Sprints, a 600 upright organization, we took 50 cars to the 16th St. speedway in Indy. I received a hell of a lot more negative remarks from racers that failed to make the feature than positive from those that did. Too many cars for a fixed amount of money and there is the sometimes present ego factor involved.
If your goal is to be part of a 40 cars field, get a sprint car and go to Paragon every week where all cars run a feature, good luck finding a promoter that will do that for mini sprints, the crowds just don't demand or support it. Bottom line, Promoters need to make money.
There is a lot of competition out there for support classes for the Promoter to choose from.
The Fun Fest at Brownstown will provide the opportunity for all area mini sprint racers to come together and demonstrate to the promoters that a large car count is possible, we are considering making one night non wing to appeal to more racers and give additional experience without the wing as we plan more non wing races next season, as it has been mentioned earlier in this thread, some racers need that experience and this is an opportunity to get it. could be beneficial if you do make that move to Paragon or somewhere else in a full sprint.
I would like so see some tye of a Nationals event with a super car count and payout sometime in the near future, I will work on it.
In the meantime, good luck to all racers in the future and enjoy what you have now.

Bill May

[Jrp4554]

Well said Bill.
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[TQ29m]

Couldn't agree more, Bill, not many stay around long, if all they do is PAY, but if they get a little PAY, chances are good they'll be able to afford to get better, and be back more often, I can remember the early days of Karting, at Whiteland, guys would go and watch, and over the winter, buy a new set up, and there'd be 300 at the first race of the season, and the next week, half of them would be in the Trader, for sale, and then by the 4th race, they'd be back to a normal count. Sometimes, too many, is worse than too few. Bob!

[DAD]

*************darn that was good************does hard charger pay points?

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I think bill killed this horse thanks.