Umra/mtqrl

tqracer53 · 7/31/11, 7:27 AM

If something has been working for 50 plus years why does there need to be a change. I think if you look out east and south that they changed there engine package and hurt there car counts. There are plenty of other engines out there beside a Honda that can win a race. I know some say you can't get low enough on gear but acro has a new rear end coming out that should take care of that.
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pjohnson · 7/31/11, 9:51 AM

I like the idea of having a 600 mini sprint class traveling with one of the clubs. I like both types of cars but have a 600 upright. Two classes of cars even better for the fans. The 1000 already have two traveling series.
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midgetracer · 7/31/11, 10:01 AM

Refusing to change within any business or organization is the fast track to failure. Late 90's average car count was high 40's not willing to run younger drivers allowed the k cars and other organizations to grow. Refusing chssis changes promted many people to say goodbye tqs. Refusing to work on track prep.at the fairground tracks led to one lane tracks and not giving the fans a good show. You don’t have to make wholesale changes but be willing to evolve with the times. Acro has a new rearend awesome because they are evolving with the marketplace.. congrats wayne harpring you built combs.one heckuva motor.
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TQ29m · 7/31/11, 10:04 AM

There are at least 2 gearsets available for the Winters rears, that will get you low enough, to run a higher RPM engine, but that's another issue, you can explain it, but if it isn't understood, nothing happens, any racing, that involves the internal combustion engine, requires a vast knowledge of "enginuity", other wise, you have a "spec" engine. Other than sprint car racing, I know of no other form of motorized racing, that with a few simple, easy to understand rules, do you have such an open opportunity to be creative, and not destroy the "purpose and intent" of TQ racing, that has continued for over 50 yrs, it is the one place left, that lets you "do your thing", and yet have a level playing field to play on. It could get out of control so easy, and go extinct so quick, it is what a lot of people, who understand what makes it work, still enjoy, after all these years. About 15-18 years ago, the engine rules were expanded, to include the coming of the newer engines, but very few have tried. Do your homework, there are lots of untapped possibilities to work with, but you need some "engine-uity". Bob!

Ambrose93&39 · 8/1/11, 9:16 PM

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Originally Posted by marko 66

wasn"t that koenig your dad kicked butt with chain driven ??

Yep, sure was. Car was outlawed in 87. I think I know why they still won't let chains back in, afraid it would be better and that they'd get beat! I guess I could start yelling that this is racecar profiling and discrimination.......LMAO!!! Y'all have fun and here's my gift to all...

8/5/11, 9:49 AM

I like the new rearend acro is working on,but I and most others in this for the fun can't afford or see where it is worth 4 to 5 thousand for a new rearend.By the time you buy the rearend,gears,birdcages and hubs,whatever it takes to convert over is it really worth it?Maybe someday.But we need to survive and grow for now.Bring the upright 600's in to run with us,they will help put people in the stands and help pay for the club to grow without hurting TQ's.Put the wings on them and the fans will like it.We get a little more time to work on our cars between races.I would love to see a 600 chain drive on gas.Buy a 500 dollar engine and drop it in,no 1000 to 2000 to convert to alcohol,just a completely stock 600 gas.Stay with fuel injection so you take away the problems with carbs overflowing leaking ect.Fuel injection works fine and don't leak on a 160 mph bike between your legs,should work on our cars.

Jrp4554 · 8/5/11, 10:44 AM

Awesome idea. In fact I know quite a few guys that would come if they were allowed to run but that's the problem. I don't think there are enough people that would support allowing them.

Torry · 8/5/11, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jrp4554

Awesome idea. ..... I don't think there are enough people that would support allowing them.

And that is an example of "club racing."

This is where a promoter steps in and makes the tough decision.
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Jrp4554 · 8/5/11, 2:03 PM

Excellent point
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7/31/11, 10:04 AM	#104 Re: Umra/mtqrl
TQ29m Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 6,677	There are at least 2 gearsets available for the Winters rears, that will get you low enough, to run a higher RPM engine, but that's another issue, you can explain it, but if it isn't understood, nothing happens, any racing, that involves the internal combustion engine, requires a vast knowledge of "enginuity", other wise, you have a "spec" engine. Other than sprint car racing, I know of no other form of motorized racing, that with a few simple, easy to understand rules, do you have such an open opportunity to be creative, and not destroy the "purpose and intent" of TQ racing, that has continued for over 50 yrs, it is the one place left, that lets you "do your thing", and yet have a level playing field to play on. It could get out of control so easy, and go extinct so quick, it is what a lot of people, who understand what makes it work, still enjoy, after all these years. About 15-18 years ago, the engine rules were expanded, to include the coming of the newer engines, but very few have tried. Do your homework, there are lots of untapped possibilities to work with, but you need some "engine-uity". Bob! __________________ "Being old, isn't half as much fun, as getting there"! Ole Robert I!

7/31/11, 7:27 AM	#101
tqracer53 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 156	If something has been working for 50 plus years why does there need to be a change. I think if you look out east and south that they changed there engine package and hurt there car counts. There are plenty of other engines out there beside a Honda that can win a race. I know some say you can't get low enough on gear but acro has a new rear end coming out that should take care of that. Posted using Mobile Device

7/31/11, 9:51 AM	#102
pjohnson Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 80	I like the idea of having a 600 mini sprint class traveling with one of the clubs. I like both types of cars but have a 600 upright. Two classes of cars even better for the fans. The 1000 already have two traveling series. Posted via Mobile Device

7/31/11, 10:01 AM	#103
midgetracer Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 88	Refusing to change within any business or organization is the fast track to failure. Late 90's average car count was high 40's not willing to run younger drivers allowed the k cars and other organizations to grow. Refusing chssis changes promted many people to say goodbye tqs. Refusing to work on track prep.at the fairground tracks led to one lane tracks and not giving the fans a good show. You don’t have to make wholesale changes but be willing to evolve with the times. Acro has a new rearend awesome because they are evolving with the marketplace.. congrats wayne harpring you built combs.one heckuva motor. Posted via Mobile Device

8/5/11, 9:49 AM	#106 Re: Umra/mtqrl
tqcar65 Posts: n/a	I like the new rearend acro is working on,but I and most others in this for the fun can't afford or see where it is worth 4 to 5 thousand for a new rearend.By the time you buy the rearend,gears,birdcages and hubs,whatever it takes to convert over is it really worth it?Maybe someday.But we need to survive and grow for now.Bring the upright 600's in to run with us,they will help put people in the stands and help pay for the club to grow without hurting TQ's.Put the wings on them and the fans will like it.We get a little more time to work on our cars between races.I would love to see a 600 chain drive on gas.Buy a 500 dollar engine and drop it in,no 1000 to 2000 to convert to alcohol,just a completely stock 600 gas.Stay with fuel injection so you take away the problems with carbs overflowing leaking ect.Fuel injection works fine and don't leak on a 160 mph bike between your legs,should work on our cars.

8/5/11, 10:44 AM	#107 Re: Umra/mtqrl
Jrp4554 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 888	Awesome idea. In fact I know quite a few guys that would come if they were allowed to run but that's the problem. I don't think there are enough people that would support allowing them.

8/5/11, 2:03 PM	#109
Jrp4554 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 888	Excellent point Posted via Mobile Device