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Hclarke (Offline)
  #31 11/7/10 2:45 PM
The short version of the story is - Perris does not have a good cell signal for some reason. The signal goes up and down during the course of an evening.

Most all of the videos you see from the track are over a cell connection and that as you know, from having your calls drop, is a pain. Until an investment is made to bring high speed connections to some of the tracks with poor cell signals the dropped feeds will continue. I'm not 100% sure on the type of connection at Ventura but I know they have a solid cell signal and that would give them a better quality stream.

Perris and other tracks with poor signals either a) petition the local cell carrier to step up, b) use some fairly expensive cell bonding technology or c) hammer out a deal with a DSL or T1 provider. In most folks minds the high speed connection and the higher quality stream = pay per view. If the broadcast were of sufficient quality I think folks would pay a modest amount to see a show. Who sets up and pays for the high speed connection? The track? USAC? Hmmm...

With pay per view the show quality needs to come up - multiple cameras which then adds sound and video mixing equipment (USAC purchased that stuff earlier this season). You then have to have folks to show up early - setup - run the show and tear down. Now you are adding all kinds of costs. Again - pay per view is the only way to offset the costs.

OR - you stay on the cell connections - do the best you can - serve up the stream for free and roll the dice that your connection is good all night.

Would you like lobster on that free pizza sir?
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terrehautian (Offline)
  #32 11/7/10 3:09 PM
Originally Posted by Hclarke:
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With pay per view the show quality needs to come up - multiple cameras which then adds sound and video mixing equipment (USAC purchased that stuff earlier this season). You then have to have folks to show up early - setup - run the show and tear down. Now you are adding all kinds of costs. Again - pay per view is the only way to offset the costs.
They have the equipment? If I didn't have to worry about making a living, I would love to do that. I could run all the equipment if there were more then one of me.
robert gatten (Offline)
  #33 11/7/10 3:33 PM
if i wanted lobster on pizza and it cost a few bucks then yes i would pay. I'm much more interested in a good product that attracts fans,sponsors and helps team owners than getting something of poor quality free.
kylecumminsfan (Offline)
  #34 11/7/10 3:50 PM
[QUOTE=robert gatten;202241]if i wanted lobster on pizza and it cost a few bucks then yes i would pay. I'm much more interested in a good product that attracts fans,sponsors and helps team owners than getting something of poor quality free.[/QUOTE

ITS FREE!!! get over it.. i have watched plenty of races on usacracing with great feeds.. everything cant be perfect.. if u wanna cry about the video then go to the damn race!! i appreciate everything dean and usac do to try and let us people that have to work and cant make it to the tracks a chance to watch the races..
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robert gatten (Offline)
  #35 11/7/10 5:36 PM
one more time. I think there's a misunderstanding here. I'm not upset with USACs effort for my own satisfaction or pleasure.Hell, I'm at most races anyway. I'm just interested in growing the interest in the sport. With that in mind, if you just except something because thats the way it is then it won't get better. These live feeds have less than 1,000 watching. For the sake of the sport things need to improve so that 100,000 or more could be watching. If NASCAR had sat back years ago and said well the 2 minute coverage on the news was enough where would they be today? USAC gets less time than that on Speed channel or wind tunnel and no one seems to concerned. PAS says there cuting back to one show a month next year and make no mistake it could happen down the road here in Indiana. For the good of the sport things need to be at there best when presented to the public.
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EKracing (Offline)
  #36 11/7/10 6:05 PM
Now that Indycar is behind USAC to get american drivers back to the speedway, maybe they can step up and provide some coverage of these events. Wouldnt hurt to hire a new broadcast team and video people who were 100 percent dedicated to providing excellent coverage and helping the USAC drivers get to the next level.
robert gatten (Offline)
  #37 11/7/10 6:58 PM
Originally Posted by EKracing:
Now that Indycar is behind USAC to get american drivers back to the speedway, maybe they can step up and provide some coverage of these events. Wouldnt hurt to hire a new broadcast team and video people who were 100 percent dedicated to providing excellent coverage and helping the USAC drivers get to the next level.
Amen
ThePurple73 (Offline)
  #38 11/7/10 7:19 PM
Here is the issue....you can't expect video quality because of dropping or latency(delays) because you are using a cell phone. You are at the mercy of the covereage area, if that is how they are actually doing it. Call the telephone company or a network provider and get the appropriate high speed connection before the intended race. Make a deal with the provider to trade advertising for the service. Find an Indiana provider who will work with you at all the Indiana tracks. It's not that complicated. I don't think a data link would be that hard for tracks to provide on thier own if needed and not that expensive.

I understand the frustration. USAC is putting thier name on this so people commit time to watch and expect some type of quality.
More thought and planning needs to be committed, and if needed funding.

No doubt fans would pay, there is no reason a workable solution can't be found. USAC has a product fans want, find a way to give or sell it to them. Do it in a professional manner.

I am sure the guy who has been doing it is trying with the resources he has and we appreciate seeing what he has done. It shows there is definately a market if nothing else.
racefan20 (Offline)
  #39 11/7/10 9:11 PM
Originally Posted by ThePurple73:
Call the telephone company or a network provider and get the appropriate high speed connection before the intended race. Make a deal with the provider to trade advertising for the service. Find an Indiana provider who will work with you at all the Indiana tracks. It's not that complicated. I don't think a data link would be that hard for tracks to provide on thier own if needed and not that expensive.
So I assume since it's "not that complicated" that you are willing to go out and hustle the sponsorship to make this happen, right? I just love all these people, and I'm not just pointing at you, that sit back in their comfortable easy chairs and tell USAC how easy it is to produce a better product. And all of you say, Oh its for the good of the sport, bullcrap, its because you are frustrated that your free race dropped at the wrong time last night. It was FREE, get over it. You think these guys are all excited about going to Tulare and Ventura and Irwindale and trying again after you just crapped all over them?? Unless you are willing to help out and be part of a solution then do us all a favor and try not to be part of the problem.

---------- Post added at 08:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:11 PM ----------

Originally Posted by EKracing:
Now that Indycar is behind USAC to get american drivers back to the speedway, maybe they can step up and provide some coverage of these events. Wouldnt hurt to hire a new broadcast team and video people who were 100 percent dedicated to providing excellent coverage and helping the USAC drivers get to the next level.
Huh, you want IndyCar to pay for a crew to broadcast USAC races??? So you can see it free??? I do know that this time last year the servers they used to stream with were the ones owned by Indycar so in reality they are/were doing something to help USAC. Geesh I cant believe some of you guys.

John Hoover

“To whom little is not enough, nothing is enough.” Epicurus
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robert gatten (Offline)
  #40 11/8/10 7:55 PM
when i say i'm interested in better coverage for the good of the sport that's what i mean. one race, or several races, losing live feed is not good when your dealing with a large racing organization like USAC. I'm a fan yes, but i also have an investment in the sport. When i read of tracks cutting races and purses it bothers me. And, when i see an opportunity to promote one of the biggest races of the year and it goes down that bothers me, and hurts the sport. Lets say you own a team that has run some races over the years and you tell a sponsor that you would like more money next year because your going to run alot more USAC shows. And one of the benies he will get is his company will receive exposure on live feeds from all over the country. He clicks on to watch and gets the problems we all had, think he will want to spend the extra money ? Same thing with prospective sponsors you have been working with. And we all know if we don't attract new fans then tracks will close. It all ties together for" the good of the sport". If you would take the time to think about how it's more than just not being able to see a race, you might understand it's not bullcrap at all.
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