[#1jackhewittfan]

the msa series will be at shady bowl in august for there first and probably only appearence ever there which should be pretty interesting.
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[Dick Monahan]

The discussion above reminds me that the "Extreme" paved sprint car series has been advertising that they are the world's fastest short track race cars. Is that really true? Are they really faster than the supers? Somehow, I doubt it.

[apexonephoto]

Originally Posted by Dick Monahan The discussion above reminds me that the "Extreme" paved sprint car series has been advertising that they are the world's fastest short track race cars. Is that really true? Are they really faster than the supers? Somehow, I doubt it.

AVSS is always faster then ISMA/MSA at Toledo.

Obviously this is just qualifying and not actual racing, not all things being equal at Toledo Speedway:
AVSS
Derek Snyder 12.656 142.225
MSA (super's)
Charlie Schultz 12.999 138.472
Outlaw Super Late Model
Derrick Griffin 14.809
USAC Sprints
Kody Swanson 14.668
USAC Midgets
Tracy Hines 15.081
CRA Super Series
John VanDoorn 15.437 116.603
ASA North Late Model
Eric Jones 15:834
ARCA
Chris Buescher 15.948 112.867

I'm the guy who hates the phrase "so-and-so won qualifying"

[#1jackhewittfan]

the last time the supers ran at winchester in 1990 bentley warren ran a 13.99 second qualifying lap and i believe that was with out a wing i cant imagine what they would run now i bet it would be faster than the winged sprints though.
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[Dick Monahan]

Originally Posted by apexonephoto AVSS is always faster then ISMA/MSA at Toledo.

I'll be damned. All those cubic inches, all that offset, all that rubber, and they are slower. I assume they are also heavier?

[Mud Packer]

Originally Posted by apexonephoto AVSS is always faster then ISMA/MSA at Toledo. Obviously this is just qualifying and not actual racing, not all things being equal at Toledo Speedway: AVSS Derek Snyder 12.656 142.225 MSA (super's) Charlie Schultz 12.999 138.472 Outlaw Super Late Model Derrick Griffin 14.809 USAC Sprints Kody Swanson 14.668 USAC Midgets Tracy Hines 15.081 CRA Super Series John VanDoorn 15.437 116.603 ASA North Late Model Eric Jones 15:834 ARCA Chris Buescher 15.948 112.867 I'm the guy who hates the phrase "so-and-so won qualifying"

We went down to the pits a couple of years ago after the races at Sandusky. Russ Wood happened to win that night and he was very gracious to spend time talking to us. One of the things that I asked about was the difference the night before at Toledo and why the AVSS were faster. Russ said that they run a completely different tire compound and that the "gumball tires" (his words not mine) had far greater grip than the ISMA tires had.

As a comparison, I looked at the 2010 rules for both AVSS & ISMA. For you technical people here is the specs.

AVSS

Minimum weight 1600 pounds with driver
Right rear tire- Hoosier 20/48-53

ISMA

Minimum weight 1850 pounds without driver or 2050 pounds with driver
Right rear tire-Hoosier 17/28-15

I know that the guys from ISMA & MSA feel that they have the fastest cars. Toledo is one of the few places that they actually compete straight up with each other. I also don't think that the supers qualify most shows, but I could be wrong on that point.

I am interested in some comments on this. Fire away.

[IndyBound]

Mike, you are right the supers do not qualify or time trial as we would call it at most of there races. I'm sure you know in my book the supers are the fastest cars even if AVSS beats them at one track.

Russ Wood is a great ambassador of the sport, glad you had a chance to meet him.

Patti

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Originally Posted by #1jackhewittfan the last time the supers ran at winchester in 1990 bentley warren ran a 13.99 second qualifying lap and i believe that was with out a wing i cant imagine what they would run now i bet it would be faster than the winged sprints though. Posted via Mobile Device

My memory is a bit foggy, the last time the supers were at Winchester Bentley crashed the car I believe it was in practice before the 13.99 qualifying lap and not in the heat race. The car was heavily damaged, Ben, myself and another girl from Oswego had to make the long trek thru the tunnel out to the parking lot to the hauler to get parts while Brian and crew started repairing the lightning fast car. Saw Linda Holldermen a few weeks ago, I am sure if she still owned Winchester she would have found a way to get the supers back there to race and we wouldn't have to imagine what times they would be turning now.

Patti

---------- Post added at 07:09 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:39 AM ----------

Originally Posted by #1jackhewittfan the last time the supers ran at winchester in 1990 bentley warren ran a 13.99 second qualifying lap and i believe that was with out a wing i cant imagine what they would run now i bet it would be faster than the winged sprints though. Posted via Mobile Device

My memory is a bit foggy, the last time the supers were at Winchester Bentley crashed the car I believe it was in practice before the 13.99 qualifying lap and not in the heat race. The car was heavily damaged, Ben, myself and another girl from Oswego had to make the long trek thru the tunnel out to the parking lot to the hauler to get parts while Brian and crew started repairing the lightning fast car. Saw Linda Holldermen a few weeks ago, I am sure if she still owned Winchester she would have found a way to get the supers back there to race and we wouldn't have to imagine what times they would be turning now.

Patti

[Seadog]

I think the Oswego supers are the coolest looking race cars around. I wish we had supers racing around Cincinnati because USAC pavement racing and supers are about the only thing that has a chance of getting me out of the house any more. Well, poor health and lack of money have something to say about that also. Yeah, I know this is pretty much a snooty little open wheel dirt community here, but I love the pavement open wheel racing and will not apologize to anybody for it.