Lawrenceburg draw needs a change

BrentTFunk · 4/13/10, 8:45 PM

I feel this board is blessed every week to have someone the caliber of Mr. Stapp, Mr. Moore, and Mr. Gurley to tell us everything wrong with any body not associated with ASCT. Thanks for showing us that everyone else is wrong. Meanwhile I wait to see how long your product lasts.

ShaneMugavin57 · 4/13/10, 9:50 PM

I like Dave was at a lost for word but I do want to make one point. I've raced under Sandy and her crew many time and there isnt a more honest up front bunch. They always treat everyon the same. With that said the way the pill draw is done (and I can testify that the draw has always been that way for at least 21 years when I started racing there) there is possibillity for corruption.

I noticed this years ago at another track that did the draw this way. Three weeks in a row we had 35 cars show up. They ran 5 heats the first week and 4 heats the second and 6 heats the third. This was done in hindsight to get a certain person close to the front of a heat as possible.

Think of it this way if you had 18 cars show up and a driver drew the 7th best number. If I run 3 heats I can start him on the pole of the 2nd but if I don't want him to have a good starting spot I run 2 heats and he starts 7th in a 9 car heat.

Again the original posters point is moot because they dont play these games at the Burg.

4/13/10, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawn

I'm not sure what happened, but TQ97's post brought up some valid points. J.T. raced with a TQ organization that used the same procedure. He raced with them for a long time. Now, all of the sudden, it's an issue. I'm not sure I understand.

It's called "luck of the draw". No matter how you do a draw, you're not increasing your chances. You have the same odds of drawing out a 60, as opposed to your 6, period! Maybe some just don't think things through before posting.

He complained all the time in the UMRA also, I tend to think he's only happy if he is unhappy.....

DonMoore10 · 4/13/10, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk

I feel this board is blessed every week to have someone the caliber of.... Mr. Moore..... to tell us everything wrong....

Is your mother making you read my posts? Don't read 'em. Real simple.

BrentTFunk · 4/14/10, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DonMoore10

Is your mother making you read my posts? Don't read 'em. Real simple.

No Don I don't live with, or off of my mother. She did give me some advice once. She said when you lay with dogs you get fleas. Nothing personal, as I actually do not disagree with everything you say. I will say I question you and your new partners motives.

DonMoore10 · 4/14/10, 11:58 AM

Please do not post false and unfounded information on a public message board. I am an independent car owner and I have no allegiance to any organization. If you don't know what you are talking about, STFU.

I am amazed at the hate that has been displayed throughout this thread. All of it is off topic. I think it was obvious that the first post was written with good intent but a bit confused by another system. That was clarified a long time ago and then post after post with all kinds of off topic inappropriate remarks and very poor taste. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. One post even suggests certain participants stay home. I don't get it. Race fans telling participants to stay home. Isn't that great advice. Local races tracks and organizations are struggling enough without race fans coming on a public message board and suggesting that drivers/car owners stay home instead of providing the needed car counts at your local race track. I don't get it all.

BrentTFunk · 4/14/10, 1:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DonMoore10

Please do not post false and unfounded information on a public message board. I am an independent car owner and I have no allegiance to any organization. If you don't know what you are talking about, STFU.

First off Don you need to grow up, and realize the world does not owe you anything. I will give you a chance to put your money where your mouth is, if you are not too scared. I will bet you by August your buddies will not be in business anymore. Please take this as a compliment, you are above some of the people you are linking yourself with. As for you telling me to STFU, if you don't like my posts, don't read them. Since you brought up my mother, another rule I learned as a child was don't let your mouth write checks, that your a$$ can't cash.

cecil98 · 4/14/10, 1:20 PM

I've never understood the beef with Don Moore on this board. I personally enjoy reading the opinions of people on all sides of an issue. This is a forum and forums are for discusssion, including dissent and criticism. If someone annoys me or, is what I consider "out of line" I generally ignore their posts rather than spit venom on them (and yes, I've been in a few p!ss!ng matches on here but, I try not to make it personal). I also don't understand the horrible way J.T. Stapp has been treated on this thread. It was simply a post of his opinion on the linear draw system that Lawrenceburg uses. While I know it makes no difference, in actuality, because it is all luck of the draw, I also would prefer a staggered draw rewarding the lower numbers vs. the linear draw. I don't believe that this thread warranted all of the vitriolic responses toward a fellow racer(s). JMO

DonMoore10 · 4/14/10, 1:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cecil98

I've never understood the beef with Don Moore on this board. I personally enjoy reading the opinions of people on all sides of an issue. This is a forum and forums are for discusssion, including dissent and criticism. If someone annoys me or, is what I consider "out of line" I generally ignore their posts rather than spit venom on them (and yes, I've been in a few p!ss!ng matches on here but, I try not to make it personal). I also don't understand the horrible way J.T. Stapp has been treated on this thread. It was simply a post of his opinion on the linear draw system that Lawrenceburg uses. While I know it makes no difference, in actuality, because it is all luck of the draw, I also would prefer a staggered draw rewarding the lower numbers vs. the linear draw. I don't believe that this thread warranted all of the vitriolic responses toward a fellow racer(s). JMO

Well said.

sprinter25 · 4/14/10, 4:01 PM

Cecil...

IMO, the only reward for a low draw when drawing in a linear draw is the the draw number itself. A "reward", as you put it, implies a bonus of some kind for a lucky pill pull. Now that's not right.

As long as any track aligns its heat races the same way each week, well, then its fair, in my eyes. If you know what the heat setup will be before you draw, and you show up, pull a number, race, and then comment/complain about the administration of the pill pull, well, like I said in my earlier post, you're just complaining about nothing. What if a track decided to race clockwise, and announced it three weeks in advance? Would racers show up and complain then? Or would they NOT show up?

As long as the pill pull treats all racers equally, then there's no reason to complain...except about your bad luck in pulling numbers....

4/14/10, 11:58 AM	#46 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
DonMoore10 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,474	Please do not post false and unfounded information on a public message board. I am an independent car owner and I have no allegiance to any organization. If you don't know what you are talking about, STFU. I am amazed at the hate that has been displayed throughout this thread. All of it is off topic. I think it was obvious that the first post was written with good intent but a bit confused by another system. That was clarified a long time ago and then post after post with all kinds of off topic inappropriate remarks and very poor taste. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. One post even suggests certain participants stay home. I don't get it. Race fans telling participants to stay home. Isn't that great advice. Local races tracks and organizations are struggling enough without race fans coming on a public message board and suggesting that drivers/car owners stay home instead of providing the needed car counts at your local race track. I don't get it all. _________________________________________________ Last edited by DonMoore10; 4/14/10 at 12:07 PM.

4/13/10, 9:50 PM	#42 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
ShaneMugavin57 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 251	I like Dave was at a lost for word but I do want to make one point. I've raced under Sandy and her crew many time and there isnt a more honest up front bunch. They always treat everyon the same. With that said the way the pill draw is done (and I can testify that the draw has always been that way for at least 21 years when I started racing there) there is possibillity for corruption. I noticed this years ago at another track that did the draw this way. Three weeks in a row we had 35 cars show up. They ran 5 heats the first week and 4 heats the second and 6 heats the third. This was done in hindsight to get a certain person close to the front of a heat as possible. Think of it this way if you had 18 cars show up and a driver drew the 7th best number. If I run 3 heats I can start him on the pole of the 2nd but if I don't want him to have a good starting spot I run 2 heats and he starts 7th in a 9 car heat. Again the original posters point is moot because they dont play these games at the Burg.

4/14/10, 4:01 PM	#50 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
sprinter25 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 547	Cecil... IMO, the only reward for a low draw when drawing in a linear draw is the the draw number itself. A "reward", as you put it, implies a bonus of some kind for a lucky pill pull. Now that's not right. As long as any track aligns its heat races the same way each week, well, then its fair, in my eyes. If you know what the heat setup will be before you draw, and you show up, pull a number, race, and then comment/complain about the administration of the pill pull, well, like I said in my earlier post, you're just complaining about nothing. What if a track decided to race clockwise, and announced it three weeks in advance? Would racers show up and complain then? Or would they NOT show up? As long as the pill pull treats all racers equally, then there's no reason to complain...except about your bad luck in pulling numbers....