Lawrenceburg draw needs a change

SprintManDave · 4/12/10, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Rudisell

If it was up to me, i'd start all 8 cars on the front row, that would be cool!!:2:

Well Dave ,it looks like you are going to have to widen the track.

bherzog513 · 4/13/10, 12:17 AM

I do not understand. The pill that you draw is a random value, of which you were given. The driver had nothing to do with the number he recieved nor can he change the outcome in anyway. As long as a procedure for the heat race setup is established before the first pill is drawn, how can anything be any more or any less fair?

If the setup for the heats claimed that the highest number drawn started on the pole and I drew a number 1, I would be mad that I wasn't racing at "blank" track that scored that pill as inside front row, but I see know way in rationalizing that thought. As I said, I don't understand the argument, can someone fill me in on what I am not seeing?

Sprint63122 · 4/13/10, 1:11 AM

Well I guess he did continue to go ahead and race in the program saturday night after the pill draw which is good.Unlike a so called champion from another series last year at lawrenceburg did not like his pill draw then tried to enter there other car and use his pill draw then threw a fit when that was not allowed and loaded both cars up this driver is what we call worthless in my book was glad to see damion prove them all wrong in driving to the front in that feature last year.Plus what chuck posted earlier on this topic that both Kunz cars drew in the back of there heats and still buckled up and went racing and Darland won the feature to.A lot of these drivers should take a good long look in the mirror and see how drivers like Darland and Coon's to name a couple conduct themselves both on and off the track.I appreciate that I am able to watch a few drivers that still have some manners and respect for sprint car racing.

Charles Nungester · 4/13/10, 4:01 AM

I wasn't implying his view is right or wrong, Just wondering why, If he was treated the same as everyone else that there is a problem?

I pointed out that the track was good and wide and able to pass on as evidenced by both kunz cars coming from the tail. Babb in the consi passed a bunch of cars and Windom came from 14th to 4th in the feature.

Ive seen low budget teams start near the tail of features and finish top five, Ive seen teams start 14th in a USAC show and WIN.

phil heinz · 4/13/10, 10:05 AM

They probably saw what car you were in and said no way can we start him up front..lol but really everyone drew just like you did.. Not sure if you think your special cause from what i have seen you can only cherry pick in the steel block shows.. So if you had been on the front row there would have been a pile up in turn 1. just like when you started mid pack of the b main and cause a chain reaction and Moffett flipped. Why would you take that car and steel block to the burg is my question? Too fast of a track for the car you was in and probably to fast for you to handle JT... Phil Heinz

Shawn · 4/13/10, 11:43 AM

I'm not sure what happened, but TQ97's post brought up some valid points. J.T. raced with a TQ organization that used the same procedure. He raced with them for a long time. Now, all of the sudden, it's an issue. I'm not sure I understand.

It's called "luck of the draw". No matter how you do a draw, you're not increasing your chances. You have the same odds of drawing out a 60, as opposed to your 6, period! Maybe some just don't think things through before posting.

FishBurger · 4/13/10, 12:24 PM

How about if you took the number drawn which falls exactly in the middle and made that car be the 5th car in the third heat and then took all the two digit numbers and combined them, i.e. #17 would become #8, except for 2 digit numbers ending in 0 which would, of course, be divided by 5, thus creating......umm.......uh oh.......I'm kinda lost here. I'll work on this and get back to you, but probably not in time to be useful this season.

AP64 · 4/13/10, 12:26 PM

No matter what you do, you are going to make someone upset. The current draw system works, and it's equal for everyone. I would leave it as is.

A good friend of mine always says,"If you can't run with the big dogs, stay home".

IndySprintCar · 4/13/10, 12:40 PM

Dumbest post ever.

The ONLY point of the pill draw is to randomize the starting grid for the heats. Whatever "formula" the track uses to turn the pill draw "order" into a lineup sheet is immaterial as long as it is done the same way each week.

Nobody "wins" the pill draw. It is what it is.

Dave Rudisell · 4/13/10, 5:36 PM

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Originally Posted by treecitytornado

I want to start out by saying I had a great time racing at the Legendary Lawrenceburg Speedway Saturday night! The track was in great shape and was fast.

I do however have an issue with the original draw. I do like using the bingo ball mixer. That is fair. The unfair part is a low number should put you towards the front of a heat race and not towards the back. This is not the case with the way the draw is currently done

I drew the 6th lowest number of everyone Saturday night and should have started outside the front row of the 2nd heat with there being 4 heat races. Instead I started 6th in the first heat.

This is not right! You are going by the luck of the draw and trying to get a low number and then you penalize the guy when he does.

The American Sprint Car Tour will put the lowest pill on the pole of the first heat and the second lowest on the pole of the 2nd heat and so on.

I was told by the track official that my way and our ASCT way would not make a difference but it makes a huge difference!!

Please take a look at this and make a change for the fairness of everyone.

Thanks,

J.T. Stapp

I have read your post and all the other posts, I have thought about how to respond for 3 days now, and this is all i can come up with

---------- Post added at 05:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:36 PM ----------

And one more thing, I went to McDonalds today for my $1 sweet tea, when i drove away it was completly full of ice and the tea was gone in 3 sips........The tea was great though. The troubles we all have to deal with daily are absolutely ridiculous!!!

See you all Saturday!! Dave

4/13/10, 4:01 AM	#34 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
Charles Nungester Senior Member Race Count This Year: 6 Race Count Last Year: 14 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22,256	I wasn't implying his view is right or wrong, Just wondering why, If he was treated the same as everyone else that there is a problem? I pointed out that the track was good and wide and able to pass on as evidenced by both kunz cars coming from the tail. Babb in the consi passed a bunch of cars and Windom came from 14th to 4th in the feature. Ive seen low budget teams start near the tail of features and finish top five, Ive seen teams start 14th in a USAC show and WIN. __________________ Charles Nungester

4/13/10, 12:40 PM	#39 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
IndySprintCar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 46	Dumbest post ever. The ONLY point of the pill draw is to randomize the starting grid for the heats. Whatever "formula" the track uses to turn the pill draw "order" into a lineup sheet is immaterial as long as it is done the same way each week. Nobody "wins" the pill draw. It is what it is. _________________________________________________ Last edited by IndySprintCar; 4/13/10 at 12:42 PM. Reason: spelling

4/13/10, 1:11 AM	#33 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
Sprint63122 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 545	Well I guess he did continue to go ahead and race in the program saturday night after the pill draw which is good.Unlike a so called champion from another series last year at lawrenceburg did not like his pill draw then tried to enter there other car and use his pill draw then threw a fit when that was not allowed and loaded both cars up this driver is what we call worthless in my book was glad to see damion prove them all wrong in driving to the front in that feature last year.Plus what chuck posted earlier on this topic that both Kunz cars drew in the back of there heats and still buckled up and went racing and Darland won the feature to.A lot of these drivers should take a good long look in the mirror and see how drivers like Darland and Coon's to name a couple conduct themselves both on and off the track.I appreciate that I am able to watch a few drivers that still have some manners and respect for sprint car racing.

4/13/10, 11:43 AM	#36 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
Shawn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 452	I'm not sure what happened, but TQ97's post brought up some valid points. J.T. raced with a TQ organization that used the same procedure. He raced with them for a long time. Now, all of the sudden, it's an issue. I'm not sure I understand. It's called "luck of the draw". No matter how you do a draw, you're not increasing your chances. You have the same odds of drawing out a 60, as opposed to your 6, period! Maybe some just don't think things through before posting.

4/13/10, 12:26 PM	#38 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
AP64 Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 243	No matter what you do, you are going to make someone upset. The current draw system works, and it's equal for everyone. I would leave it as is. A good friend of mine always says,"If you can't run with the big dogs, stay home".