Lawrenceburg draw needs a change

ByronMack · 4/12/10, 5:09 PM

I liked the way they did it at Vernon for the no way oyt. They group qualifies, that way if the track slows down over the course of quals, at least everyone in your heat had the same conditions.
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Sandy Lowe · 4/12/10, 5:40 PM

JT,

I apologize if I didn't make myself clear when you drew your pill on Saturday.

I understand a draw of 10 is different than a draw of 60. But... as long as you use the same system every week when you pull your pill it does not make any difference. A '10' does not mean 10, it means you will start in one of the first heats. A '60' does not mean 60, but you will start in one of the later heats.

When you pull your pill you should have a pretty good idea if you are in an early heat, the middle heat, or a late heat.

I have been working at Lawrenceburg Speedway for 8 years or so and as long as I have been around they have done it that way. I've worked at Bloomington Speedway even longer and they also do their lineups this way. (BTW they did their lineups this way long before I came along).

Sandy

DonMoore10 · 4/12/10, 6:30 PM

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Originally Posted by quicktime3

I also have a hard time believing that 12 or more cars could tie in passing points in order to put one car on the pole and another in the semi. If they inverted six, and transferred 16, which is normal, that would be how many it would take. Maybe a little bit of exaggeration there?

It's happened several times. A USAC midget race a couple of years ago at Kokomo, for example. It happened at a POWRi race at Macon but the result was a bit different. Several were tied for the same number of points. The guy who raced in the first heat was on the feature pole and the other guys started way back.

Sandy Lowe · 4/12/10, 6:43 PM

Don,

You are right. If you have a program with 5 or more heats and the difference in finishing points is a multiple of the amount of points you earn for improving your position there is a good probability for ties. (Example: 1.5 points for every position improved, 3 point difference for every finish position = lots of ties)

Sandy

quicktime3 · 4/12/10, 7:24 PM

So exaggerating a little in the first post, I guess...

Charles Nungester · 4/12/10, 7:34 PM

Both Kunz cars started dead last in their respective heats.

Let see, One of them Won the Feature and got the GOOD LUCK of the draw on getting the outside pole.

Not saying you don't have a view, that it should be looked at or not.

Chuck, who appreciated you coming down and racing!

TQ29m · 4/12/10, 7:35 PM

I know this is gonna make my head hurt, and Sandy has been dong this longer than anyone I know, so I Don't Question, but in simple terms, here's how it goes down, I think. Say you draw a 10, that doesn't mean anything, till everyone else has drawn, then, if no one drew 1 thru 9, you start on the pole of the first heat, same way with the rest of the draw, the numbers that aren't drawn don't count, only the one's that are, so you could draw a 21, and still start in the first heat. Same on back. That's the way it usually works, anyway. Some guys can't qualify, and they are happy with the draw, I like to qualify, gives me another turn at the track conditions, but, it also wears out the track, and hold up the show, and if you're looking at 4 or 5 divisions, and only one qualifys, it does get kinda boring, if you came to watch the "other" division. My .02! Bob

cmiracingvids · 4/12/10, 8:27 PM

Just a generalization here...Good drivers always find a way to win. If they ***** about a track being one lane, just be happy you're on dirt, and that maybe next week it'll be better...or hey...maybe...just maybe...you'll have to find your way around the guy ahead of you, by cleanly making an actual PASS.
That's why fans go to races, and that's why drivers race. Just my humble opinion...but as Sandy mentioned...its the same for every driver...every night at any track.

What if you flip and ruin your car (and your night) in your heat because you hit the wall or a tire or maybe another driver? Should they take away walls, tires, and other drivers because it ruined your night? Sure that's an exagerration...but it puts things in perspective. I'm a fan of the "just shut up and race" slogan. Again, JMO.

cecil98 · 4/12/10, 8:43 PM

I know it's all luck of the draw but, I agree that the draw should be staggered. lowest number on pole of 1st heat, 2nd lowest # on pole of 2nd heat etc. In the big scheme of things, I guess it doesn't matter but, I too, think you should be rewarded for drawing a lower number...it really wouldn't affect us because Brad always draws terrible numbers anyway!

Dave Rudisell · 4/12/10, 9:13 PM

If it was up to me, i'd start all 8 cars on the front row, that would be cool!!:2:

4/12/10, 6:43 PM	#14 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
Sandy Lowe Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,719	Don, You are right. If you have a program with 5 or more heats and the difference in finishing points is a multiple of the amount of points you earn for improving your position there is a good probability for ties. (Example: 1.5 points for every position improved, 3 point difference for every finish position = lots of ties) Sandy _________________________________________________ Last edited by Sandy Lowe; 4/12/10 at 6:46 PM.

4/12/10, 7:34 PM	#16 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
Charles Nungester Senior Member Race Count This Year: 6 Race Count Last Year: 14 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22,256	Both Kunz cars started dead last in their respective heats. Let see, One of them Won the Feature and got the GOOD LUCK of the draw on getting the outside pole. Not saying you don't have a view, that it should be looked at or not. Chuck, who appreciated you coming down and racing! __________________ Charles Nungester

4/12/10, 7:35 PM	#17 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
TQ29m Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 6,677	I know this is gonna make my head hurt, and Sandy has been dong this longer than anyone I know, so I Don't Question, but in simple terms, here's how it goes down, I think. Say you draw a 10, that doesn't mean anything, till everyone else has drawn, then, if no one drew 1 thru 9, you start on the pole of the first heat, same way with the rest of the draw, the numbers that aren't drawn don't count, only the one's that are, so you could draw a 21, and still start in the first heat. Same on back. That's the way it usually works, anyway. Some guys can't qualify, and they are happy with the draw, I like to qualify, gives me another turn at the track conditions, but, it also wears out the track, and hold up the show, and if you're looking at 4 or 5 divisions, and only one qualifys, it does get kinda boring, if you came to watch the "other" division. My .02! Bob __________________ "Being old, isn't half as much fun, as getting there"! Ole Robert I!

4/12/10, 7:24 PM	#15 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
quicktime3 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 159	So exaggerating a little in the first post, I guess...

4/12/10, 8:43 PM	#19 Re: Lawrenceburg draw needs a change
cecil98 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,399	I know it's all luck of the draw but, I agree that the draw should be staggered. lowest number on pole of 1st heat, 2nd lowest # on pole of 2nd heat etc. In the big scheme of things, I guess it doesn't matter but, I too, think you should be rewarded for drawing a lower number...it really wouldn't affect us because Brad always draws terrible numbers anyway!