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Thanks chuck --- i happen to be one of those weasles you speak of --- lol

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester Spridge, you and I used to not get along and I really don't know what you think of me now. I do enjoy reading your thoughts from time and can certainly share a beer with ya. Don't let the weasels get you down. Chuck ---------- Post added at 07:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:54 PM ---------- Totally agree, When USAC screws up, They deserve bad feedback, Wheres all the possitive feedback from the over 15 USAC shows I've seen this year? Oh I forgot, I came back from the Terre/Kamp Sprint week races to read seven pages of Dirtywhiteboy type post on how bad it sucked, how dusty they were ect. I myself found them AWESOME to the hilt! Chuck, Who'll not mention all the critizism LBurg and Usac took for the Dick Gaines Classic. (Which I also found to be awesome)

Well, how many times on here has it been posted and posted and posted and POSTED again that USAC is the biggest and best there is? The biggest target gets the most hits. If you can't stand that, then maybe just maybe people at USAC would listen every once in awhile to their fans and the people who are members on ways to improve the health of racing.

Instead, anytime anything is debated on here it boils down to an absolute pissing match between those who will support whatever USAC throws at them and those who see things from a vastly different perspective and questions what is handed to them.

[Charles Nungester]

Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy Well, how many times on here has it been posted and posted and posted and POSTED again that USAC is the biggest and best there is? The biggest target gets the most hits. If you can't stand that, then maybe just maybe people at USAC would listen every once in awhile to their fans and the people who are members on ways to improve the health of racing. Instead, anytime anything is debated on here it boils down to an absolute pissing match between those who will support whatever USAC throws at them and those who see things from a vastly different perspective and questions what is handed to them.

All I can say is vote with your $$ and then STHU because you have no idea other than speculation on what you've missed.

All Im saying, If it was always as bad as some on here say, Would anybody go anytime?
Chuck, been bitten several times by USAC at shows that could have been run ect. (Some of those were the promotor and not USAC) But by far the racings been above and among the best in the NW buisness. I've seen more MSCS mess ups in the limited shows I've made. Judgement calls ect than the total the dozens of USAC shows I've made in the last 30 years

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester All I can say is vote with your $$ and then STHU because you have no idea other than speculation on what you've missed. All Im saying, If it was always as bad as some on here say, Would anybody go anytime? Chuck, been bitten several times by USAC at shows that could have been run ect. (Some of those were the promotor and not USAC) But by far the racings been above and among the best in the NW buisness. I've seen more MSCS mess ups in the limited shows I've made. Judgement calls ect than the total the dozens of USAC shows I've made in the last 30 years

I have made alot of POWRI/Gateway Racing races, UMARA shows, MSCS shows, and weekly racing shows. Never and I mean NEVER have I seen the bonehead mistakes made the collective group I mentioned above compared to USAC. I'd list the mistakes USAC has made but hell, I don;t have the rest of my life to waste on the internet proving my point. Fact is USAC is the one everyone looks to and when that many eyes are watching, mistakes will be seen and talked about.

As far as STHU, thank you for such a great piece of advice. I learn by following others so could you set the example?

[Charles Nungester]

Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy I have made alot of POWRI/Gateway Racing races, UMARA shows, MSCS shows, and weekly racing shows. Never and I mean NEVER have I seen the bonehead mistakes made the collective group I mentioned above compared to USAC. I'd list the mistakes USAC has made but hell, I don;t have the rest of my life to waste on the internet proving my point. Fact is USAC is the one everyone looks to and when that many eyes are watching, mistakes will be seen and talked about. As far as STHU, thank you for such a great piece of advice. I learn by following others so could you set the example?

The STHU statement was commenting on stuff you didn't see and critizing it.
Never is the same as ASS/U/ME to me. To say never is a bold statment deliberatly blocking the truth.

You add to conversation at times. Everyone can apreciate that.

Theres a big difference between ranting and letting a few mistakes be the CALL FOR USAC DOOM Did not MSCS let cars run out of fuel earlier at very same track DO?

They're paving Eldora??? Seriously???
The next thing you hear is that they're putting a dirt track across the street from the Speedway.
Oh. that's right. That's been tried already.
Jim Morrison

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester Theres a big difference between ranting and letting a few mistakes be the CALL FOR USAC DOOM Did not MSCS let cars run out of fuel earlier at very same track DO?

Mistake? That's one thing USAC got right. No red flag to fuel.

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester The STHU statement was commenting on stuff you didn't see and critizing it. Never is the same as ASS/U/ME to me. To say never is a bold statment deliberatly blocking the truth.

So according to that I can only comment on what I see. Correct? Nothing I read in a magazine, the newspaper, or on a messege board?

You add to conversation at times. Everyone can apreciate that.

I add to the conversation all the time. I add a view point from someone who isn't a kool-aid drinking member of the Jonesian society know as Kevin Miller's USAC. I look at everything objectively and form an opinion that way. I simply don;t take what someone is trying to pass off as gospel and believe it.

Theres a big difference between ranting and letting a few mistakes be the CALL FOR USAC DOOM Did not MSCS let cars run out of fuel earlier at very same track DO?

PLease explain to me how that is the fault of MSCS? Are car owners/drivers responsible for that?

[Knoke77]

Wow...what an entertaining thread!

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Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy I have made alot of POWRI/Gateway Racing races, UMARA shows, MSCS shows, and weekly racing shows. Never and I mean NEVER have I seen the bonehead mistakes made the collective group I mentioned above compared to USAC. I'd list the mistakes USAC has made but hell, I don;t have the rest of my life to waste on the internet proving my point. Fact is USAC is the one everyone looks to and when that many eyes are watching, mistakes will be seen and talked about. As far as STHU, thank you for such a great piece of advice. I learn by following others so could you set the example?

I believe that USAC needs work, A LOT OF WORK, but I have seen many bone headed moves by other groups and tracks in general. No one calls them out because nobody holds them to the standards that USAC is held to.