[Hubie]

How much does USAC charge a track for putting on an event?

IRP is not being used (ORP) and they used to host at least two Sprint races per year. Why don't they anymore?

[sp6967]

there is no way to fix this problem.usac is no longer the road to indy,they lost that years ago.the problem is usac is no longer the leader,but just a follower.if they were still the road to indy,302's and small wheels would still be around.once people in the sprint car world saw usac lose this, other sprint car organizations started.they all wanted a piece of the sprint car pie.these other organizations didn't have rules.no rules makes it easy.so big motors,big tires,light weight stuff.usac had someone else eating pie,and for usac to regain some pie they had to follow.

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by sp6967 there is no way to fix this problem.usac is no longer the road to indy,they lost that years ago.the problem is usac is no longer the leader,but just a follower.if they were still the road to indy,302's and small wheels would still be around.once people in the sprint car world saw usac lose this, other sprint car organizations started.they all wanted a piece of the sprint car pie.these other organizations didn't have rules.no rules makes it easy.so big motors,big tires,light weight stuff.usac had someone else eating pie,and for usac to regain some pie they had to follow.

no leadership! No racers in the office! Just clueless what they need too kept there doors open next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by hubie how much does usac charge a track for putting on an event? Irp is not being used (orp) and they used to host at least two sprint races per year. Why don't they anymore?

bout $3000 for sanction and officals plus insurance! Plus bout $22000 purse for 12 -15 cars! No way!

[sp6967]

duke, who would you put in charge of usac?

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Originally Posted by sp6967 duke, who would you put in charge of usac?

poncho carter! The board rollie beale tom bigelow lee kuzman ron shavers gary stanton tom hunt and myself!

[Tony Barhorst]

Originally Posted by 1121 Long time reader, first time poster......except for an ad about selling a motor. I've always hesitated to reply to a post here because honestly, some of you guys scare me more then Winchester or Salem ever did! But this issue is dear to my heart. I am a long time HOSS driver/car owner. And I am a very low buck guy. But with all due respect to Duke, the answer is not having guys drive the same car on dirt and pavement. The problem is not a shortage of cars. There are 20-25 cars running with HOSS and another 20-25 running with AVSS. The cars are there. And I personally would love to run some USAC races to get more non-winged pavement expierence. But the shear cost of running USAC is out of control. Not the price of the cars, but the race to race expense. HOSS and AVSS both run very similar tire rules. But USAC (and yes, I know they came first) uses different compound of tires on all four corners. And add to that, the big dogs bolt on new tires every time they hit the track. To me, the MSA (supermodified group out of Ohio) has the best tire rule. They specify a compound and you can only buy two tires a night. They don't care what two you buy, but you can only buy two. In fact this is a rule I wish HOSS and AVSS would adopt also. Also, and I don't want to start a safety debate here, but with USAC, you have to run a HANS device. I'm not debating their effectiveness, but I doubt if there is five guys total between HOSS and AVSS that have one. Again, MSA mandates them, but they give you a three or five race (I'm not sure which) grace period to buy one. That allows you to decide if you want to run with them all the time before investing in a HANS. I would jump at a chance to run more non-winged, I'm just not going to mortgage my house to do it. Maybe someone would like to have some non-sanctioned non-winged races..........are you listening Tony Barhorst? Tom Paterson Sprint car #11

Duke is correct..One car for pavement and dirt....Why did they get away from what worked in a GOLDEN ERA?

The leaders in charge at critical times did not listen to teams like Tom Paterson's opinion above...this is the other part of the equation. It really is not that complicated.

I have promoted pavement USAC races at Columbus Ohio with the midgets ( Bryan Clausen the youngest National winner ever)...2006 a sprint and midget double header...Bobby Santos- Tracy Hines.

I had no luck with weather...but there was also no buzz from race fans...the interest in pavement racing not even close to dirt. I lost a TON of money on USAC pavement racing...

That's why I went to dirt at Kamp in 07, ....LOTS OF INTEREST ....Jerry Coons Jr... and Union County...I ran into sub standard race track facilities. Steve Buckwalter won that one by the way...Kent Christian the sprints. Two fine racers.

Now we are back on pavement at the Speedrome...the racing has been pretty good...but dirt track racing is winning the battle. I wish the same midgets that race on dirt would be able to run with us...it would help bring in dirt track fans..THE CARS ARE TOO SPECIALIZED. I still love the a variety of pavement midgets we have running at the Speedrome...the first week we had 19 different chassis/engine combos.

This is not a blast at USAC..I used to bleed red, white and blue...

I can hardly wait for the UMRA TQ's to run with us August 30...Those cars are the same ones on dirt and pavement...like it should be.

Best,
Tony Barhorst
www.rumbleseries.com

[Honest-Sam]

What if USAC did adopt a 'one car for pavement and dirt' policy. What would happen at the dirt races? Would the USAC guys get beat up by all those local guys running their fancy dedicated dirt sprint cars? Or, would the doors be closed on dirt to anyone not running a 'one car for pavement and dirt'?

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Originally Posted by Honest-Sam What if USAC did adopt a 'one car for pavement and dirt' policy. What would happen at the dirt races? Would the USAC guys get beat up by all those local guys running their fancy dedicated dirt sprint cars? Or, would the doors be closed on dirt to anyone not running a 'one car for pavement and dirt'?

they would have to race a usac legal car! if the wanted to race usac!

[Honest-Sam]

Well, wouldn't that transfer the problems that we have on pavement to the dirt?

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Originally Posted by honest-sam well, wouldn't that transfer the problems that we have on pavement to the dirt?

no way!!!!!!!!!!! All they would need is a spec frame!!!!!!! Most teams go thru 3 or 4 a year dirt racing they tell me a frame is the cheapest thing in a sprint car!!!!!!!!!!!!