Racing tires! Midgets & sprints!

Racerrob · 11/25/08, 11:13 PM

I don't presume to speak for anyone but myself. The views I express here are not necessarily the views of my teammates, family or sponsors. And just to clarify, I am not a multi-millionaire by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, I parked my son’s quarter midget because I could not spare the money to go racing with him in that venue. I was able to take him to Columbus last weekend and we had a very good outing after a 19 month layoff.

The "small elite minority" smacks of the class warfare that was practiced in the last ********. Perhaps the President elect can look into redistributing the tire wealth so that every race team can have the same quantity and quality of tires. :headbang

To answer Duke’s question, I believe it was $7,500 guaranteed against a percentage of the back gate, correct? If so, then that would be $28,600 in today’s dollars. The typical purse is now about two-thirds of that amount. As I said in the earlier post, I agree with the premise that we need to race for larger purses, cut costs and attract more fans. I just don't think that continually bashing the sanctioning body's and tire companies will make that happen.

Rob Hoffman

DonMoore10 · 11/25/08, 11:36 PM

For ur information, I've signed with the William Morris Agency and I'm pretty sure Speed Channel called today. I may be able to afford those HoosierDaddy tires after all. Now if I could just get all those Cincinnati Procter and Gamble sponsors on my side. Maybe free Tide so I won't have to clip those Sunday paper coupons.

hairracer44 · 11/26/08, 1:09 AM

I've been reading this post which is a spin off of a prior post about tires. The way I see it and yes I'm a nobody that runs a sprint car when I can at Paragon. I think Rob and Don both make valid point.

Here is what I have been telling people for the last couple years to many people are forgetting to have fun racing. Racing has never been a cheap thing to do I don't car if it go karts or Indy cars. As a racer or car owner you have to decide on what level you want to run and make a plan and do it. If you want to run on a local level know what you can afford and set some goal but if you decide to go play with the big boys with the so called unlimited budget know what you are getting into. We all want to win or we wouldn't be doing it but remember to have fun and if it not fun to run with the big budget teams then don't do it.

On the other hand I do believe that a any sanctioning body has an obligation to there car owners to create a fair and reasonable set of rules to run by. To have a sanctioning body making there rules based on how much money a manufacture (be it Tires, Engines chassis or whatever) is putting in there pocket is no different than special interest group lining the pockets of the politicians that run a country. If you don't have a problem with that fine but I think the car owners should have a say in it.

If you are going to have to run a specific tire manufacturer because they are helping with your point fund let the car owners vote on what tire they want to run. If you have paid you sanctioning fees as a car owner you get to vote majority rules if you don't vote don't complain. This is the way things where done the year I ran some SCRA races in 2004 if there was a big enough stink about an issue it was addressed before the season and voted on. If something needs to be addressed in the middle of the season have a meeting and vote on it. You can make some of the people happy all the time but not all of the people all the time. Just remember to have fun racing on whatever level you decide to race.

6157 · 11/26/08, 1:16 AM

[QUOTE=hairracer44;74998] This is the way things where done the year I ran some SCRA races in 2004 if there was a big enough stink about an issue it was addressed before the season and voted on. If something needs to be addressed in the middle of the season have a meeting and vote on it. [/QUOTE

That worked out really well for SCRA didn't it?

How are they doing these days?

hairracer44 · 11/26/08, 1:27 AM

I don't wnt to start more bashing here but SCRA would be doing fine if USAC wouldn't have come in an stab them in the back by undercutting sansioning fees and stealing the track awy from Ron Shuman. Ask the guys on the west cost how they feel about what going on out there now. Granted I have not been out there for a while but I understand there not any happier with the situation they have now. Shuman paid tow money and for the most part took car of his owners and drivers I don't think theirs any tow money any more Just for an example.

I'm just saying owners are alway going to complain and if your not having fun racing don't do it. If you don't like the way a certain group runs there deal don't run with them. Nobody is putting a gun to the owners head telling them to run there car where and when and if they are your not haveing fun are you.

All I here is complaining and no one finding an answer If you have a better idea speak up instead of putting down everyone elses ideas.

6157 · 11/26/08, 2:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hairracer44

I don't wnt to start more bashing here but SCRA would be doing fine if USAC wouldn't have come in an stab them in the back by undercutting sansioning fees and stealing the track awy from Ron Shuman. Ask the guys on the west cost how they feel about what going on out there now. Granted I have not been out there for a while but I understand there not any happier with the situation they have now. Shuman paid tow money and for the most part took car of his owners and drivers I don't think theirs any tow money any more Just for an example.

FWIW, you can point that sword at Temecula Valley Pipe and Supply for bringing in USAC. TVPS told PAS to get USAC or kiss their money goodbye.

The owners are the reason SCRA is out of business, not USAC. Nothing was stopping them from supporting SCRA over CRA.

cecil98 · 11/26/08, 9:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DonMoore10

Well, isn't that interesting information. It's been downhill with the HoosierDaddy Tire Company since. I'm still waiting on one of the executives of the various midget orgs to come out of the woodwork and get us back to something reasonable. STILL WAITING, gentlemen!!! It's awfully qiuet.

I don't really have a dog in this fight but, the above post caused all of this rancor? You've got to be kidding me??? :confused: I guess I need to re-read it to find the evil that you all found in this post :angry-smiley-007: All I see is a guy asking manufacturers and organizations to make an attempt to do something about the cost of racing. You guys may not be USAC employees but you're sure drinking their Kool-Aid.

BTW, I wouldn't know Don Moore if he was standing right next to me.

DonMoore10 · 11/26/08, 10:59 AM

Yeah... and more economic bad news came out this morning. But apparently the midget racing industry is immune to all of this! Does anybody remember the 22 cars (actually only 17 owners, folks) that showed up at the Hut Hundred. HELLO???? Oh... and you might want to check the car count at Sun Prairie last season.

11/26/08, 11:21 AM

Hey Don, have you ever thought about fielding a sprint car team instead? The costs are a little more favorable and you're running for more money nearly 100% of the time.

Not being a smart ass, just asking a question.

DonMoore10 · 11/26/08, 11:38 AM

Sprint car would not fit into my tiny trailer. :thumbsdown:And besides.. I'm a one man show... unlike the elite teams, many funded by almost bankrupt auto companies, I still clip coupons. And I'd have to hire someone just to help move those humongous tires around. Also I can't afford a 2 million dollar building in Brownsburg or a staff of 5-8 people (or more). :crying: And I could never park one of those deluxe super 18 wheelers in my driveway.

11/26/08, 10:59 AM	#28 Re: Racing tires! Midgets & sprints!
DonMoore10 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,474	Yeah... and more economic bad news came out this morning. But apparently the midget racing industry is immune to all of this! Does anybody remember the 22 cars (actually only 17 owners, folks) that showed up at the Hut Hundred. HELLO???? Oh... and you might want to check the car count at Sun Prairie last season. _________________________________________________ Last edited by DonMoore10; 11/26/08 at 11:02 AM.

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11/25/08, 11:13 PM	#21 Re: Racing tires! Midgets & sprints!
Racerrob Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 237	I don't presume to speak for anyone but myself. The views I express here are not necessarily the views of my teammates, family or sponsors. And just to clarify, I am not a multi-millionaire by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, I parked my son’s quarter midget because I could not spare the money to go racing with him in that venue. I was able to take him to Columbus last weekend and we had a very good outing after a 19 month layoff. The "small elite minority" smacks of the class warfare that was practiced in the last ********. Perhaps the President elect can look into redistributing the tire wealth so that every race team can have the same quantity and quality of tires. :headbang To answer Duke’s question, I believe it was $7,500 guaranteed against a percentage of the back gate, correct? If so, then that would be $28,600 in today’s dollars. The typical purse is now about two-thirds of that amount. As I said in the earlier post, I agree with the premise that we need to race for larger purses, cut costs and attract more fans. I just don't think that continually bashing the sanctioning body's and tire companies will make that happen. Rob Hoffman

11/25/08, 11:36 PM	#22 Re: Racing tires! Midgets & sprints!
DonMoore10 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,474	For ur information, I've signed with the William Morris Agency and I'm pretty sure Speed Channel called today. I may be able to afford those HoosierDaddy tires after all. Now if I could just get all those Cincinnati Procter and Gamble sponsors on my side. Maybe free Tide so I won't have to clip those Sunday paper coupons.

11/26/08, 1:09 AM	#23 Re: Racing tires! Midgets & sprints!
hairracer44 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 661	I've been reading this post which is a spin off of a prior post about tires. The way I see it and yes I'm a nobody that runs a sprint car when I can at Paragon. I think Rob and Don both make valid point. Here is what I have been telling people for the last couple years to many people are forgetting to have fun racing. Racing has never been a cheap thing to do I don't car if it go karts or Indy cars. As a racer or car owner you have to decide on what level you want to run and make a plan and do it. If you want to run on a local level know what you can afford and set some goal but if you decide to go play with the big boys with the so called unlimited budget know what you are getting into. We all want to win or we wouldn't be doing it but remember to have fun and if it not fun to run with the big budget teams then don't do it. On the other hand I do believe that a any sanctioning body has an obligation to there car owners to create a fair and reasonable set of rules to run by. To have a sanctioning body making there rules based on how much money a manufacture (be it Tires, Engines chassis or whatever) is putting in there pocket is no different than special interest group lining the pockets of the politicians that run a country. If you don't have a problem with that fine but I think the car owners should have a say in it. If you are going to have to run a specific tire manufacturer because they are helping with your point fund let the car owners vote on what tire they want to run. If you have paid you sanctioning fees as a car owner you get to vote majority rules if you don't vote don't complain. This is the way things where done the year I ran some SCRA races in 2004 if there was a big enough stink about an issue it was addressed before the season and voted on. If something needs to be addressed in the middle of the season have a meeting and vote on it. You can make some of the people happy all the time but not all of the people all the time. Just remember to have fun racing on whatever level you decide to race.

11/26/08, 1:16 AM	#24 Re: Racing tires! Midgets & sprints!
6157 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 253	[QUOTE=hairracer44;74998] This is the way things where done the year I ran some SCRA races in 2004 if there was a big enough stink about an issue it was addressed before the season and voted on. If something needs to be addressed in the middle of the season have a meeting and vote on it. [/QUOTE That worked out really well for SCRA didn't it? How are they doing these days?

11/26/08, 1:27 AM	#25 Re: Racing tires! Midgets & sprints!
hairracer44 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 661	I don't wnt to start more bashing here but SCRA would be doing fine if USAC wouldn't have come in an stab them in the back by undercutting sansioning fees and stealing the track awy from Ron Shuman. Ask the guys on the west cost how they feel about what going on out there now. Granted I have not been out there for a while but I understand there not any happier with the situation they have now. Shuman paid tow money and for the most part took car of his owners and drivers I don't think theirs any tow money any more Just for an example. I'm just saying owners are alway going to complain and if your not having fun racing don't do it. If you don't like the way a certain group runs there deal don't run with them. Nobody is putting a gun to the owners head telling them to run there car where and when and if they are your not haveing fun are you. All I here is complaining and no one finding an answer If you have a better idea speak up instead of putting down everyone elses ideas.

11/26/08, 11:21 AM	#29 Re: Racing tires! Midgets & sprints!
Fisher79 Posts: n/a	Hey Don, have you ever thought about fielding a sprint car team instead? The costs are a little more favorable and you're running for more money nearly 100% of the time. Not being a smart ass, just asking a question.

11/26/08, 11:38 AM	#30 Re: Racing tires! Midgets & sprints!
DonMoore10 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,474	Sprint car would not fit into my tiny trailer. :thumbsdown:And besides.. I'm a one man show... unlike the elite teams, many funded by almost bankrupt auto companies, I still clip coupons. And I'd have to hire someone just to help move those humongous tires around. Also I can't afford a 2 million dollar building in Brownsburg or a staff of 5-8 people (or more). :crying: And I could never park one of those deluxe super 18 wheelers in my driveway.